Read my previous posts here, I think I’ve been very consistent and make a valid argument.

I did not contradict myself. All the conservative pundits in the last years of Clinton bashed him over and over again using the same comments liberals are using now…

The DIFFERENCE is, Clinton had a plan and it worked. It was over quickly, therefore, the comments didn’t hold up and the predictions never surfaced. But direct those comments to Iraq, and they ring true based on what’s happened.

By they way, there were U.S. ground troops in Kosovo. It was not just a bombing campaign. Liberals also didn’t call conservatives unpatriotic or tell them to leave the country when they voiced their opposition to Clinton.

Quotes exist for a reason, I’m sorry if conservatives have selective memory.

Read my previous posts here, I think I’ve been very consistent and make a valid argument.

I did not contradict myself. All the conservative pundits in the last years of Clinton bashed him over and over again using the same comments liberals are using now…

The DIFFERENCE is, Clinton had a plan and it worked. It was over quickly, therefore, the comments didn’t hold up and the predictions never surfaced. But direct those comments to Iraq, and they ring true based on what’s happened.

By they way, there were U.S. ground troops in Kosovo. It was not just a bombing campaign. Liberals also didn’t call conservatives unpatriotic or tell them to leave the country when they voiced their opposition to Clinton.

Quotes exist for a reason, I’m sorry if conservatives have selective memory.

You don’t get to have it both ways. Either the past is relevant or it’s not.

Secondly, you tried to justify Kosovo by saying we were “in and out, unlike Iraq” but your earlier arguement was “Iraq isn’t even a conventional war” In otherwords “In and Out”. Conventional warfare involves troops, bullets, tanks and bodies. Unconventional warfare is what we did in Kosovo: Bombed the hell out of them with “Carpet Bombing, Precision Aerial Strikes, without laying foot on the ground”.

So please, when you make an arguement, participate in the “Blame Bush” bandwagon, atleast be either A) Consistent or B) Know your position and lay a valid arguement.

I don’t pretend to know what everyone said, thought, or has done in previous years without research, but my research also doesn’t include a list of canned quotes of he said/she said, from some other website.

You don’t get to have it both ways. Either the past is relevant or it’s not.

Secondly, you tried to justify Kosovo by saying we were “in and out, unlike Iraq” but your earlier arguement was “Iraq isn’t even a conventional war” In otherwords “In and Out”. Conventional warfare involves troops, bullets, tanks and bodies. Unconventional warfare is what we did in Kosovo: Bombed the hell out of them with “Carpet Bombing, Precision Aerial Strikes, without laying foot on the ground”.

So please, when you make an arguement, participate in the “Blame Bush” bandwagon, atleast be either A) Consistent or B) Know your position and lay a valid arguement.

I don’t pretend to know what everyone said, thought, or has done in previous years without research, but my research also doesn’t include a list of canned quotes of he said/she said, from some other website.

Here is the problem I have with conservatives saying liberals bash Bush too much. Read these comments when Clinton went into Kosovo, and tell me they don’t echo exactly what liberals are saying today:

“You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo.”
-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years”
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

“President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

“You can support the troops but not the president”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

“It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring “wars of national liberation.”
-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

The only difference is, we got in and out of Kosovo with very few casualties and the region is in far better shape today than it was. The same cannot be said about Iraq.

I just think that our soldiers are dying over there to hold off a civil war, not fight terrorism…
Reports now show that most of the insurgents are Iraqis anyway, not Al Qaida.

Bush himself said in 2000 that the U.S. military should not be used for “nation building.” With a real terrorist threat and Al Qaida’s leaders still free, Iran’s government growing bolder, and Hamas winning elections – it seems much bigger problems have arisen while we’ve had our hands tied with Iraq for too long.

Here is the problem I have with conservatives saying liberals bash Bush too much. Read these comments when Clinton went into Kosovo, and tell me they don’t echo exactly what liberals are saying today:

“You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo.”
-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

“Well, I just think it’s a bad idea. What’s going to happen is they’re going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years”
-Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

“President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

“Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?”
-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

“You can support the troops but not the president”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

“It is a remarkable spectacle to see the Clinton Administration and NATO taking over from the Soviet Union the role of sponsoring “wars of national liberation.”
-Representative Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”
-Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

The only difference is, we got in and out of Kosovo with very few casualties and the region is in far better shape today than it was. The same cannot be said about Iraq.

I just think that our soldiers are dying over there to hold off a civil war, not fight terrorism…
Reports now show that most of the insurgents are Iraqis anyway, not Al Qaida.

Bush himself said in 2000 that the U.S. military should not be used for “nation building.” With a real terrorist threat and Al Qaida’s leaders still free, Iran’s government growing bolder, and Hamas winning elections – it seems much bigger problems have arisen while we’ve had our hands tied with Iraq for too long.

As far as blaming Donald Rumsfield, come on, you can think better than what the liberals have been touting for “eons”.

Donald Rumsfeld is no more to “blame for the war” than Harry Reid is. LOL

He is the Secretary of Defense, but if you want to use the “bad or faulty armor” excuse, then I think you need to go back to previous administrations. They are just to blame than the “token Rummy” guy.

As far as blaming Donald Rumsfield, come on, you can think better than what the liberals have been touting for “eons”.

Donald Rumsfeld is no more to “blame for the war” than Harry Reid is. LOL

He is the Secretary of Defense, but if you want to use the “bad or faulty armor” excuse, then I think you need to go back to previous administrations. They are just to blame than the “token Rummy” guy.

The attitude of Donald Rumsfeld was depicted quite well in it. He’s the one to be angry at. Our troops STILL don’t even have adequate body armor! People shouldn’t get offended by the messenger, in this case the cartoonist.

In terms of free speech I totally agree with you but don’t think there is duality in the media. We aren’t reprinting the Muslim cartoons because we don’t want to fuel the situation further… and really, there is no point.

About the outrage in the Islamic world, it’s not a stretch to say that Muslim frustration with the West just reached a boiling point over those cartoons. It was the match to a powder keg. I’m not excusing the violence, just pointing out an observation.

The attitude of Donald Rumsfeld was depicted quite well in it. He’s the one to be angry at. Our troops STILL don’t even have adequate body armor! People shouldn’t get offended by the messenger, in this case the cartoonist.

In terms of free speech I totally agree with you but don’t think there is duality in the media. We aren’t reprinting the Muslim cartoons because we don’t want to fuel the situation further… and really, there is no point.

About the outrage in the Islamic world, it’s not a stretch to say that Muslim frustration with the West just reached a boiling point over those cartoons. It was the match to a powder keg. I’m not excusing the violence, just pointing out an observation.