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16 February 2006 24 Comments

Perhaps I’m getting “Old Fashioned” for my Generation.

I couldn’t help but ponder some questions when I read this ad in today’s University of Minnesota student newpaper “Minnesota Daily“:

Egg Donors Needed $10,000 (Plus all Expenses). We are seeking women who are attractive (who judges that is beyond me), under the age of 29 (so you hot 30 somethings nevermind, they don’t want you), SAT 1300+, (no minimum wage babes either), physically fit and maintaining a healthy lifestyle, (no comments from the peanut gallery cuz you can already form your own questions for that one). If you have a desire to help an infertile family (nevermind the fact that the top of the ad begged you to think about the monetary gains) and would like more information please contact us. Email: darlene@aperfectmatch.com www.aperfectmatch.com 1.800.264.8828

I know this ad begs the question as to how ethical and moral it is for a company, or person, to set up a business, whose soul sole focus is providing the super babies to the people who can afford them, while exploiting, hot young, financially in debt women with questionable ethical or moral dilemmas.

I’m not trying to get pro-lifer or anything like that, but ethically? morally? who are you trying to kid here? I think that this ad, specifically run in a student newspaper, you have to ask yourself how far is too far?

I mean, blogging about illegal immigrants is one thing, those people are exploited by the left who don’t care about the plight of illegals anymore than anti-abortionist extremist care when people die while bombing a clinic.

The way I see this is, is purely exploitative, and if you’ve seen the movie Gattaca you’d know what I’m getting at.

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24 Responses to “Perhaps I’m getting “Old Fashioned” for my Generation.”

  1. Stacie 16 February 2006 at 3:27 pm #

    Wow, for 10k I am in. If only my SAT score was higher.

    I look at it this way – people adopt – really no difference. Instead of someone else carrying the baby and giving it up, this mother gets to carry the egg.

    Honestly – 10k and the change to help someone sounds really great. I mean really great. However, I would always wonder (especially if I couldn’t have a child) what happened to that egg/child.

    Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.

  2. Stacie 16 February 2006 at 3:27 pm #

    Wow, for 10k I am in. If only my SAT score was higher.

    I look at it this way – people adopt – really no difference. Instead of someone else carrying the baby and giving it up, this mother gets to carry the egg.

    Honestly – 10k and the change to help someone sounds really great. I mean really great. However, I would always wonder (especially if I couldn’t have a child) what happened to that egg/child.

    Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.

  3. Stacie 16 February 2006 at 3:27 pm #

    Wow, for 10k I am in. If only my SAT score was higher.

    I look at it this way – people adopt – really no difference. Instead of someone else carrying the baby and giving it up, this mother gets to carry the egg.

    Honestly – 10k and the change to help someone sounds really great. I mean really great. However, I would always wonder (especially if I couldn’t have a child) what happened to that egg/child.

    Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.

  4. Stacie 16 February 2006 at 3:27 pm #

    Wow, for 10k I am in. If only my SAT score was higher.

    I look at it this way – people adopt – really no difference. Instead of someone else carrying the baby and giving it up, this mother gets to carry the egg.

    Honestly – 10k and the change to help someone sounds really great. I mean really great. However, I would always wonder (especially if I couldn’t have a child) what happened to that egg/child.

    Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.

  5. Jesse 16 February 2006 at 4:33 pm #

    sick.

  6. Jesse 16 February 2006 at 4:33 pm #

    sick.

  7. Jesse 16 February 2006 at 4:33 pm #

    sick.

  8. Jesse 16 February 2006 at 4:33 pm #

    sick.

  9. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 5:17 pm #

    HeH.

    Stacie, you said: “Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.”

    I didn’t post this article to flame people’s opinions.

    I did post it to open a dialog with readers.

    I think adoption is a personal choice, whether you’re the serogate, or the biological mother. It’s a tough spot to be in, and I recognize that having seen my sister, and friends make these difficult decisions for the welfare of their children.

    That is not my reason for bringing this ad to light.

    Don’t you think that advertising to kids who, by the way are spending $30k+ for their University education (yes that’s on the light estimate), is no less than pandering? Or even worse, attempting to take advantage of people who might be economically challenged?

    Sure, not everyone who decides to sign up is economically challenged, but, I can bet you that waving the carrot (10K) in front of kids paying a huge amount for their education loans is like holding a bag of meth in front of a junkie.

    You begin to go down a long dark alley when you make an offer of money to people who either are or will be in debt for a long period of time.

    And if you think that’s ok, then what’s wrong with those college kids pimping themselves out for college funds? Or becoming drug dealers to pay off their loans?

    I see brokerage of a woman’s egg’s, especially when strict/specific requirements are included, as no different than having sex for money, or selling drugs for profit.

  10. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 5:17 pm #

    HeH.

    Stacie, you said: “Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.”

    I didn’t post this article to flame people’s opinions.

    I did post it to open a dialog with readers.

    I think adoption is a personal choice, whether you’re the serogate, or the biological mother. It’s a tough spot to be in, and I recognize that having seen my sister, and friends make these difficult decisions for the welfare of their children.

    That is not my reason for bringing this ad to light.

    Don’t you think that advertising to kids who, by the way are spending $30k+ for their University education (yes that’s on the light estimate), is no less than pandering? Or even worse, attempting to take advantage of people who might be economically challenged?

    Sure, not everyone who decides to sign up is economically challenged, but, I can bet you that waving the carrot (10K) in front of kids paying a huge amount for their education loans is like holding a bag of meth in front of a junkie.

    You begin to go down a long dark alley when you make an offer of money to people who either are or will be in debt for a long period of time.

    And if you think that’s ok, then what’s wrong with those college kids pimping themselves out for college funds? Or becoming drug dealers to pay off their loans?

    I see brokerage of a woman’s egg’s, especially when strict/specific requirements are included, as no different than having sex for money, or selling drugs for profit.

  11. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 5:17 pm #

    HeH.

    Stacie, you said: “Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.”

    I didn’t post this article to flame people’s opinions.

    I did post it to open a dialog with readers.

    I think adoption is a personal choice, whether you’re the serogate, or the biological mother. It’s a tough spot to be in, and I recognize that having seen my sister, and friends make these difficult decisions for the welfare of their children.

    That is not my reason for bringing this ad to light.

    Don’t you think that advertising to kids who, by the way are spending $30k+ for their University education (yes that’s on the light estimate), is no less than pandering? Or even worse, attempting to take advantage of people who might be economically challenged?

    Sure, not everyone who decides to sign up is economically challenged, but, I can bet you that waving the carrot (10K) in front of kids paying a huge amount for their education loans is like holding a bag of meth in front of a junkie.

    You begin to go down a long dark alley when you make an offer of money to people who either are or will be in debt for a long period of time.

    And if you think that’s ok, then what’s wrong with those college kids pimping themselves out for college funds? Or becoming drug dealers to pay off their loans?

    I see brokerage of a woman’s egg’s, especially when strict/specific requirements are included, as no different than having sex for money, or selling drugs for profit.

  12. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 5:17 pm #

    HeH.

    Stacie, you said: “Like abortion, it must be a personal decision, something that unless in the situation, shouldn’t be commented on too harshly.”

    I didn’t post this article to flame people’s opinions.

    I did post it to open a dialog with readers.

    I think adoption is a personal choice, whether you’re the serogate, or the biological mother. It’s a tough spot to be in, and I recognize that having seen my sister, and friends make these difficult decisions for the welfare of their children.

    That is not my reason for bringing this ad to light.

    Don’t you think that advertising to kids who, by the way are spending $30k+ for their University education (yes that’s on the light estimate), is no less than pandering? Or even worse, attempting to take advantage of people who might be economically challenged?

    Sure, not everyone who decides to sign up is economically challenged, but, I can bet you that waving the carrot (10K) in front of kids paying a huge amount for their education loans is like holding a bag of meth in front of a junkie.

    You begin to go down a long dark alley when you make an offer of money to people who either are or will be in debt for a long period of time.

    And if you think that’s ok, then what’s wrong with those college kids pimping themselves out for college funds? Or becoming drug dealers to pay off their loans?

    I see brokerage of a woman’s egg’s, especially when strict/specific requirements are included, as no different than having sex for money, or selling drugs for profit.

  13. Aaron 16 February 2006 at 7:06 pm #

    David–

    Let’s step back for a moment. Why aren’t you railing on Capital One or MBNA for offering interest free credit cards to students?

    And also, under 29 does not mean college even though it was run in a school paper. It could have been run in The Village Voice as well.

    On the merits, though, I agree with you… but then again, the world is full of predatory capitalistic practices. On the flip side, this is why capitalism works. People with resources meeting people with needs.

  14. Aaron 16 February 2006 at 7:06 pm #

    David–

    Let’s step back for a moment. Why aren’t you railing on Capital One or MBNA for offering interest free credit cards to students?

    And also, under 29 does not mean college even though it was run in a school paper. It could have been run in The Village Voice as well.

    On the merits, though, I agree with you… but then again, the world is full of predatory capitalistic practices. On the flip side, this is why capitalism works. People with resources meeting people with needs.

  15. Aaron 16 February 2006 at 7:06 pm #

    David–

    Let’s step back for a moment. Why aren’t you railing on Capital One or MBNA for offering interest free credit cards to students?

    And also, under 29 does not mean college even though it was run in a school paper. It could have been run in The Village Voice as well.

    On the merits, though, I agree with you… but then again, the world is full of predatory capitalistic practices. On the flip side, this is why capitalism works. People with resources meeting people with needs.

  16. Aaron 16 February 2006 at 7:06 pm #

    David–

    Let’s step back for a moment. Why aren’t you railing on Capital One or MBNA for offering interest free credit cards to students?

    And also, under 29 does not mean college even though it was run in a school paper. It could have been run in The Village Voice as well.

    On the merits, though, I agree with you… but then again, the world is full of predatory capitalistic practices. On the flip side, this is why capitalism works. People with resources meeting people with needs.

  17. George 16 February 2006 at 7:21 pm #

    I’m not entirely sure I see the problem. When everyone is fertile and talking about just dating, marrying and having kids, plenty of people select according to the same criteria. Young, intelligent, healthy – a good mate. I don’t get the problem with extending the real world into the fertility clinic?

    And I don’t understand how these girls are getting “exploited”? They get a chance to help people out and they get paid for their efforts. Everyone’s a winner. I’m gonna go look for the post where you discuss the exploitation of young, healthy but financially hard-up women by the porn industry now, since that’s surely far far more abhorrent?

  18. George 16 February 2006 at 7:21 pm #

    I’m not entirely sure I see the problem. When everyone is fertile and talking about just dating, marrying and having kids, plenty of people select according to the same criteria. Young, intelligent, healthy – a good mate. I don’t get the problem with extending the real world into the fertility clinic?

    And I don’t understand how these girls are getting “exploited”? They get a chance to help people out and they get paid for their efforts. Everyone’s a winner. I’m gonna go look for the post where you discuss the exploitation of young, healthy but financially hard-up women by the porn industry now, since that’s surely far far more abhorrent?

  19. George 16 February 2006 at 7:21 pm #

    I’m not entirely sure I see the problem. When everyone is fertile and talking about just dating, marrying and having kids, plenty of people select according to the same criteria. Young, intelligent, healthy – a good mate. I don’t get the problem with extending the real world into the fertility clinic?

    And I don’t understand how these girls are getting “exploited”? They get a chance to help people out and they get paid for their efforts. Everyone’s a winner. I’m gonna go look for the post where you discuss the exploitation of young, healthy but financially hard-up women by the porn industry now, since that’s surely far far more abhorrent?

  20. George 16 February 2006 at 7:21 pm #

    I’m not entirely sure I see the problem. When everyone is fertile and talking about just dating, marrying and having kids, plenty of people select according to the same criteria. Young, intelligent, healthy – a good mate. I don’t get the problem with extending the real world into the fertility clinic?

    And I don’t understand how these girls are getting “exploited”? They get a chance to help people out and they get paid for their efforts. Everyone’s a winner. I’m gonna go look for the post where you discuss the exploitation of young, healthy but financially hard-up women by the porn industry now, since that’s surely far far more abhorrent?

  21. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 10:16 pm #

    Aaron, because interest free credit cards and debt is a result of poor fiscal education on either their parents, or themselves. While consuming a massive amount of debt is reckless and can lead to huge problems down the road, it’s not bartering lives.

    I also realize that under 29 doesn’t mean college. I’m 33 and going to college LOL. However, advertising in a student newspaper means that you are selecting a specific target audience. Sure professors read it, sure the public reads it, but the primary readership IS college kids.

    I think as far as all dark matter subjects go, this one is certainly just as valid for a topic of discussion as is MBNA’s latest interest free credit card gimmick.

    :)

  22. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 10:16 pm #

    Aaron, because interest free credit cards and debt is a result of poor fiscal education on either their parents, or themselves. While consuming a massive amount of debt is reckless and can lead to huge problems down the road, it’s not bartering lives.

    I also realize that under 29 doesn’t mean college. I’m 33 and going to college LOL. However, advertising in a student newspaper means that you are selecting a specific target audience. Sure professors read it, sure the public reads it, but the primary readership IS college kids.

    I think as far as all dark matter subjects go, this one is certainly just as valid for a topic of discussion as is MBNA’s latest interest free credit card gimmick.

    :)

  23. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 10:16 pm #

    Aaron, because interest free credit cards and debt is a result of poor fiscal education on either their parents, or themselves. While consuming a massive amount of debt is reckless and can lead to huge problems down the road, it’s not bartering lives.

    I also realize that under 29 doesn’t mean college. I’m 33 and going to college LOL. However, advertising in a student newspaper means that you are selecting a specific target audience. Sure professors read it, sure the public reads it, but the primary readership IS college kids.

    I think as far as all dark matter subjects go, this one is certainly just as valid for a topic of discussion as is MBNA’s latest interest free credit card gimmick.

    :)

  24. David Nick 16 February 2006 at 10:16 pm #

    Aaron, because interest free credit cards and debt is a result of poor fiscal education on either their parents, or themselves. While consuming a massive amount of debt is reckless and can lead to huge problems down the road, it’s not bartering lives.

    I also realize that under 29 doesn’t mean college. I’m 33 and going to college LOL. However, advertising in a student newspaper means that you are selecting a specific target audience. Sure professors read it, sure the public reads it, but the primary readership IS college kids.

    I think as far as all dark matter subjects go, this one is certainly just as valid for a topic of discussion as is MBNA’s latest interest free credit card gimmick.

    :)