every once in a while I happen to find something in the Bible that I find really interesting. This last Sunday was one of those times.
The sermon was bit dull, so I opened up to the beginning of Genesis and began to read. When I got to chapter five I noticed something interesting:
It gives you how old each person was going down from Adam through Noah when they had their child. It starts out “When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.” It then says “After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died.”
We are given this information for each and every link in the chain down from Adam to Noah. I decided to test something: I looked up two things-
1. Was Adam alive when Noah was born?
2. Was Methusela (or anyone else) alive at the time of the flood?
First, the first question:
Adam=930 years
-130 (adam to seth) 800 years left on earth for Adam
-105 (seth to enosh) 695 ”
-90 (enosh to kenan) 605 ”
-70 (kenan to mahalalel) 535 ”
-65 (mahalalel to jared) 470 ”
-162 (jared to enoch) 308 ”
-65 (enoch to methuselah) 243 ”
-187 (methuselah to lamech) 56 ”
-182 (lamech to noah)
uh oh. 126 years short. So no, Adam was not alive when Noah was born.
Neither was Seth. He was 14 years short. Seth’s son was alive, be when he died Noah was only around 100 years old.
Where am I going with this? Question number two.
Was Methusela (or anyone else) alive at the time of the flood?
The short aswer is…yes. Methuselah was. Now let’s take that a step further. Was anyone other than Noah, his sons and their family alive? The answer is…yes.
Methuselah had 969 years on Earth.
When Lamech was born he only had 782
When Noah was born he only had….600
When Noah’s sons where born he had….100
At this point Noah was….500 years old.
Genesis 7:6 reads:
Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
So during the year of the flood Methuselah was exactly… 0 years away from dying. So, either he died in the flood, he died before the flood, or he went on the ark.
1. He went on the ark- no. Genesis 7:13 says “On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.” Clearly Methuselah was not on the ark.
2. He died before the flood- possible. Genesis 7:11 reads:
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month – on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
So going by probability, what are the chances that he, after living for 869 years, just happened to die a few weeks before the flood? Not all that likely.
3. He died in the flood- probably. Going by pure odds, it would seem more than likely that Methuselah died in the flood.
What does that mean? I don’t know. I guess he was evil. It seems odd that someone who was given such a long life by God even as people were getting less long-lived, ended up dying in one of God’s forms of punishment. Maybe he did die before the flood, but chances are he didn’t.
So what was the point of that post? None. It’s open mike friday, I found it interesting. Maybe someone else also does, maybe someone will have something to add.
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This is an interesting discussion. Thanks for bringing the topic up, Jesse. And thank you for your valuable contributions Dr. Jenkins. It’s very interesting reading.
I have some posts for the Not So Free State but my host went pear-shaped over the weekend and I’m trying to get that site back online. When it comes back online, I have a stack of stories to write about that will be sure to cement some peoples views that I’m an extremist right wing nut, but as a Christian I see some dire omens concerning government, privacy and the mark of the beast. Hoefully the server will become more orange-shaped soon so I can get that blog back online.
This is an interesting discussion. Thanks for bringing the topic up, Jesse. And thank you for your valuable contributions Dr. Jenkins. It’s very interesting reading.
I have some posts for the Not So Free State but my host went pear-shaped over the weekend and I’m trying to get that site back online. When it comes back online, I have a stack of stories to write about that will be sure to cement some peoples views that I’m an extremist right wing nut, but as a Christian I see some dire omens concerning government, privacy and the mark of the beast. Hoefully the server will become more orange-shaped soon so I can get that blog back online.
It seems interesting to me that the people who believe in the book of Revelation are the same people who are most accepting of government intrusion on privacy and the growth of corporate power (one world system). I say that because it is conservatives who tend to turn a blind eye as long as they think their faith and ‘values’ are adequately represented.
Now that the writing is on the wall, it’s funny that people are angry about what they sat back and allowed to happen, or even voted for. I don’t care what religion you adhere to whether you’re in Iran or here in the U.S….Voting for people who proclaim their faith is what guides them is asking for trouble.
Nah, I don’t buy into that, A.J. It’s been a long time in coming across many administrations that proclaim different faiths along the way. I think Biblical prophecy is above whatever we do or say here. I don’t think it’s reasonable, if you take the Bible at its face (and if you don’t then that’s fine, it just means there’s not a common basis for approaching the issue), to think that if people voted differently based on any number of other grounds, that the outcome would be any different in the global spiritual sense. The tendency of fallen man is different than the tendency of an omnipotent God and the tendency will always be toward more control. It is human nature to do so and it presents itself on a macro-scale when discussing governments of men. Governments will always tend toward more control over time as has been shown throughout history. Rome the Republic became Rome the Empire until it was overthrown. The Jewish people, freed from captivity through the intervention of an all powerful God followed Him until they decided they wanted kings and then the kings became more decadent and the Jewish nation was taken into captivity ultimately.
In the same way, the U.S., regardless of the administratio in power or their proclaimed affiliation, becomes increasingly power-hungry (whether intentionally or not).
More to come when TNSFS gets back online.
It seems interesting to me that the people who believe in the book of Revelation are the same people who are most accepting of government intrusion on privacy and the growth of corporate power (one world system). I say that because it is conservatives who tend to turn a blind eye as long as they think their faith and ‘values’ are adequately represented.
Now that the writing is on the wall, it’s funny that people are angry about what they sat back and allowed to happen, or even voted for. I don’t care what religion you adhere to whether you’re in Iran or here in the U.S….Voting for people who proclaim their faith is what guides them is asking for trouble.
It seems interesting to me that the people who believe in the book of Revelation are the same people who are most accepting of government intrusion on privacy and the growth of corporate power (one world system). I say that because it is conservatives who tend to turn a blind eye as long as they think their faith and ‘values’ are adequately represented.
Now that the writing is on the wall, it’s funny that people are angry about what they sat back and allowed to happen, or even voted for. I don’t care what religion you adhere to whether you’re in Iran or here in the U.S….Voting for people who proclaim their faith is what guides them is asking for trouble.
It seems interesting to me that the people who believe in the book of Revelation are the same people who are most accepting of government intrusion on privacy and the growth of corporate power (one world system). I say that because it is conservatives who tend to turn a blind eye as long as they think their faith and ‘values’ are adequately represented.
Now that the writing is on the wall, it’s funny that people are angry about what they sat back and allowed to happen, or even voted for. I don’t care what religion you adhere to whether you’re in Iran or here in the U.S….Voting for people who proclaim their faith is what guides them is asking for trouble.
It seems interesting to me that the people who believe in the book of Revelation are the same people who are most accepting of government intrusion on privacy and the growth of corporate power (one world system). I say that because it is conservatives who tend to turn a blind eye as long as they think their faith and ‘values’ are adequately represented.
Now that the writing is on the wall, it’s funny that people are angry about what they sat back and allowed to happen, or even voted for. I don’t care what religion you adhere to whether you’re in Iran or here in the U.S….Voting for people who proclaim their faith is what guides them is asking for trouble.
It seems interesting to me that the people who believe in the book of Revelation are the same people who are most accepting of government intrusion on privacy and the growth of corporate power (one world system). I say that because it is conservatives who tend to turn a blind eye as long as they think their faith and ‘values’ are adequately represented.
Now that the writing is on the wall, it’s funny that people are angry about what they sat back and allowed to happen, or even voted for. I don’t care what religion you adhere to whether you’re in Iran or here in the U.S….Voting for people who proclaim their faith is what guides them is asking for trouble.
The human race has risen from disaster many times. If a plague was wiping out 1/3 of the known population like it did in the Middle Ages, I imagine everyone would think that is the end of the world…I’m sure many at the time did. WWII was is a recent reminder of how easily the world can hang in the balance in the midst of global crisis.
I’ve said before that we are descendants of an intense religious stranglehold on Europe that last for centuries. They used the fear of God to control people. The church may not be in control anymore, but most people still fear God, or whatever force the word ‘God’ describes. The Bible says God created man in his own image…People take that quite literally but what if it means that the human race, including all of nature, are simply manifestations of God, the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ all combined?? Therefore, instead of saying that things are out of our control, perhaps God is simply working thru all of us and we do have the power and the will to make this world whatever we want it to be.
The reason we feel so lost and afraid is because we’ve voluntarily seperated ourselves from God, instead of believing that we are all a part of God experiencing life.
Nah, I don’t buy into that, A.J. It’s been a long time in coming across many administrations that proclaim different faiths along the way. I think Biblical prophecy is above whatever we do or say here. I don’t think it’s reasonable, if you take the Bible at its face (and if you don’t then that’s fine, it just means there’s not a common basis for approaching the issue), to think that if people voted differently based on any number of other grounds, that the outcome would be any different in the global spiritual sense. The tendency of fallen man is different than the tendency of an omnipotent God and the tendency will always be toward more control. It is human nature to do so and it presents itself on a macro-scale when discussing governments of men. Governments will always tend toward more control over time as has been shown throughout history. Rome the Republic became Rome the Empire until it was overthrown. The Jewish people, freed from captivity through the intervention of an all powerful God followed Him until they decided they wanted kings and then the kings became more decadent and the Jewish nation was taken into captivity ultimately.
In the same way, the U.S., regardless of the administratio in power or their proclaimed affiliation, becomes increasingly power-hungry (whether intentionally or not).
More to come when TNSFS gets back online.
Nah, I don’t buy into that, A.J. It’s been a long time in coming across many administrations that proclaim different faiths along the way. I think Biblical prophecy is above whatever we do or say here. I don’t think it’s reasonable, if you take the Bible at its face (and if you don’t then that’s fine, it just means there’s not a common basis for approaching the issue), to think that if people voted differently based on any number of other grounds, that the outcome would be any different in the global spiritual sense. The tendency of fallen man is different than the tendency of an omnipotent God and the tendency will always be toward more control. It is human nature to do so and it presents itself on a macro-scale when discussing governments of men. Governments will always tend toward more control over time as has been shown throughout history. Rome the Republic became Rome the Empire until it was overthrown. The Jewish people, freed from captivity through the intervention of an all powerful God followed Him until they decided they wanted kings and then the kings became more decadent and the Jewish nation was taken into captivity ultimately.
In the same way, the U.S., regardless of the administratio in power or their proclaimed affiliation, becomes increasingly power-hungry (whether intentionally or not).
More to come when TNSFS gets back online.
Nah, I don’t buy into that, A.J. It’s been a long time in coming across many administrations that proclaim different faiths along the way. I think Biblical prophecy is above whatever we do or say here. I don’t think it’s reasonable, if you take the Bible at its face (and if you don’t then that’s fine, it just means there’s not a common basis for approaching the issue), to think that if people voted differently based on any number of other grounds, that the outcome would be any different in the global spiritual sense. The tendency of fallen man is different than the tendency of an omnipotent God and the tendency will always be toward more control. It is human nature to do so and it presents itself on a macro-scale when discussing governments of men. Governments will always tend toward more control over time as has been shown throughout history. Rome the Republic became Rome the Empire until it was overthrown. The Jewish people, freed from captivity through the intervention of an all powerful God followed Him until they decided they wanted kings and then the kings became more decadent and the Jewish nation was taken into captivity ultimately.
In the same way, the U.S., regardless of the administratio in power or their proclaimed affiliation, becomes increasingly power-hungry (whether intentionally or not).
More to come when TNSFS gets back online.
Nah, I don’t buy into that, A.J. It’s been a long time in coming across many administrations that proclaim different faiths along the way. I think Biblical prophecy is above whatever we do or say here. I don’t think it’s reasonable, if you take the Bible at its face (and if you don’t then that’s fine, it just means there’s not a common basis for approaching the issue), to think that if people voted differently based on any number of other grounds, that the outcome would be any different in the global spiritual sense. The tendency of fallen man is different than the tendency of an omnipotent God and the tendency will always be toward more control. It is human nature to do so and it presents itself on a macro-scale when discussing governments of men. Governments will always tend toward more control over time as has been shown throughout history. Rome the Republic became Rome the Empire until it was overthrown. The Jewish people, freed from captivity through the intervention of an all powerful God followed Him until they decided they wanted kings and then the kings became more decadent and the Jewish nation was taken into captivity ultimately.
In the same way, the U.S., regardless of the administratio in power or their proclaimed affiliation, becomes increasingly power-hungry (whether intentionally or not).
More to come when TNSFS gets back online.
Nah, I don’t buy into that, A.J. It’s been a long time in coming across many administrations that proclaim different faiths along the way. I think Biblical prophecy is above whatever we do or say here. I don’t think it’s reasonable, if you take the Bible at its face (and if you don’t then that’s fine, it just means there’s not a common basis for approaching the issue), to think that if people voted differently based on any number of other grounds, that the outcome would be any different in the global spiritual sense. The tendency of fallen man is different than the tendency of an omnipotent God and the tendency will always be toward more control. It is human nature to do so and it presents itself on a macro-scale when discussing governments of men. Governments will always tend toward more control over time as has been shown throughout history. Rome the Republic became Rome the Empire until it was overthrown. The Jewish people, freed from captivity through the intervention of an all powerful God followed Him until they decided they wanted kings and then the kings became more decadent and the Jewish nation was taken into captivity ultimately.
In the same way, the U.S., regardless of the administratio in power or their proclaimed affiliation, becomes increasingly power-hungry (whether intentionally or not).
More to come when TNSFS gets back online.
The human race has risen from disaster many times. If a plague was wiping out 1/3 of the known population like it did in the Middle Ages, I imagine everyone would think that is the end of the world…I’m sure many at the time did. WWII was is a recent reminder of how easily the world can hang in the balance in the midst of global crisis.
I’ve said before that we are descendants of an intense religious stranglehold on Europe that last for centuries. They used the fear of God to control people. The church may not be in control anymore, but most people still fear God, or whatever force the word ‘God’ describes. The Bible says God created man in his own image…People take that quite literally but what if it means that the human race, including all of nature, are simply manifestations of God, the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ all combined?? Therefore, instead of saying that things are out of our control, perhaps God is simply working thru all of us and we do have the power and the will to make this world whatever we want it to be.
The reason we feel so lost and afraid is because we’ve voluntarily seperated ourselves from God, instead of believing that we are all a part of God experiencing life.
The human race has risen from disaster many times. If a plague was wiping out 1/3 of the known population like it did in the Middle Ages, I imagine everyone would think that is the end of the world…I’m sure many at the time did. WWII was is a recent reminder of how easily the world can hang in the balance in the midst of global crisis.
I’ve said before that we are descendants of an intense religious stranglehold on Europe that last for centuries. They used the fear of God to control people. The church may not be in control anymore, but most people still fear God, or whatever force the word ‘God’ describes. The Bible says God created man in his own image…People take that quite literally but what if it means that the human race, including all of nature, are simply manifestations of God, the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ all combined?? Therefore, instead of saying that things are out of our control, perhaps God is simply working thru all of us and we do have the power and the will to make this world whatever we want it to be.
The reason we feel so lost and afraid is because we’ve voluntarily seperated ourselves from God, instead of believing that we are all a part of God experiencing life.
The human race has risen from disaster many times. If a plague was wiping out 1/3 of the known population like it did in the Middle Ages, I imagine everyone would think that is the end of the world…I’m sure many at the time did. WWII was is a recent reminder of how easily the world can hang in the balance in the midst of global crisis.
I’ve said before that we are descendants of an intense religious stranglehold on Europe that last for centuries. They used the fear of God to control people. The church may not be in control anymore, but most people still fear God, or whatever force the word ‘God’ describes. The Bible says God created man in his own image…People take that quite literally but what if it means that the human race, including all of nature, are simply manifestations of God, the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ all combined?? Therefore, instead of saying that things are out of our control, perhaps God is simply working thru all of us and we do have the power and the will to make this world whatever we want it to be.
The reason we feel so lost and afraid is because we’ve voluntarily seperated ourselves from God, instead of believing that we are all a part of God experiencing life.
The human race has risen from disaster many times. If a plague was wiping out 1/3 of the known population like it did in the Middle Ages, I imagine everyone would think that is the end of the world…I’m sure many at the time did. WWII was is a recent reminder of how easily the world can hang in the balance in the midst of global crisis.
I’ve said before that we are descendants of an intense religious stranglehold on Europe that last for centuries. They used the fear of God to control people. The church may not be in control anymore, but most people still fear God, or whatever force the word ‘God’ describes. The Bible says God created man in his own image…People take that quite literally but what if it means that the human race, including all of nature, are simply manifestations of God, the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ all combined?? Therefore, instead of saying that things are out of our control, perhaps God is simply working thru all of us and we do have the power and the will to make this world whatever we want it to be.
The reason we feel so lost and afraid is because we’ve voluntarily seperated ourselves from God, instead of believing that we are all a part of God experiencing life.
The human race has risen from disaster many times. If a plague was wiping out 1/3 of the known population like it did in the Middle Ages, I imagine everyone would think that is the end of the world…I’m sure many at the time did. WWII was is a recent reminder of how easily the world can hang in the balance in the midst of global crisis.
I’ve said before that we are descendants of an intense religious stranglehold on Europe that last for centuries. They used the fear of God to control people. The church may not be in control anymore, but most people still fear God, or whatever force the word ‘God’ describes. The Bible says God created man in his own image…People take that quite literally but what if it means that the human race, including all of nature, are simply manifestations of God, the ‘good’ and ‘bad’ all combined?? Therefore, instead of saying that things are out of our control, perhaps God is simply working thru all of us and we do have the power and the will to make this world whatever we want it to be.
The reason we feel so lost and afraid is because we’ve voluntarily seperated ourselves from God, instead of believing that we are all a part of God experiencing life.
Greetings,
I finished a day ahead of schedule. Please visit http://www.pbwmodel.com, Lectures link, Bible Math link, Bible Math Lecture #003: 666, the Antichrist and Satan. There is a written lecture summary and Windows Media Player power point video lecture. Your comments and criticisms are welcome. Again, I urge you to first read Ordered Conflict Resolution and Ordered Model Processes, Reference Declaration and the Economic Organization: Implications for a Balanced Scorecard Contextual Framework and Bible Math Lectures #001 and #002. You will need to understand the idea of ordered and unordered model processes and what is the composition of a Star of David. The 666, the Antichrist and Satan lecture explains the undoing of the succeeding Star of David in ordered objective equilibratory alignment and why the scripture writers’ impose this assumption on their social choice theory model operation. Very truly yours, D. Randall Jenkins, Ph.D.
Greetings,
I finished a day ahead of schedule. Please visit http://www.pbwmodel.com, Lectures link, Bible Math link, Bible Math Lecture #003: 666, the Antichrist and Satan. There is a written lecture summary and Windows Media Player power point video lecture. Your comments and criticisms are welcome. Again, I urge you to first read Ordered Conflict Resolution and Ordered Model Processes, Reference Declaration and the Economic Organization: Implications for a Balanced Scorecard Contextual Framework and Bible Math Lectures #001 and #002. You will need to understand the idea of ordered and unordered model processes and what is the composition of a Star of David. The 666, the Antichrist and Satan lecture explains the undoing of the succeeding Star of David in ordered objective equilibratory alignment and why the scripture writers’ impose this assumption on their social choice theory model operation. Very truly yours, D. Randall Jenkins, Ph.D.
Greetings,
I finished a day ahead of schedule. Please visit http://www.pbwmodel.com, Lectures link, Bible Math link, Bible Math Lecture #003: 666, the Antichrist and Satan. There is a written lecture summary and Windows Media Player power point video lecture. Your comments and criticisms are welcome. Again, I urge you to first read Ordered Conflict Resolution and Ordered Model Processes, Reference Declaration and the Economic Organization: Implications for a Balanced Scorecard Contextual Framework and Bible Math Lectures #001 and #002. You will need to understand the idea of ordered and unordered model processes and what is the composition of a Star of David. The 666, the Antichrist and Satan lecture explains the undoing of the succeeding Star of David in ordered objective equilibratory alignment and why the scripture writers’ impose this assumption on their social choice theory model operation. Very truly yours, D. Randall Jenkins, Ph.D.
Greetings,
I finished a day ahead of schedule. Please visit http://www.pbwmodel.com, Lectures link, Bible Math link, Bible Math Lecture #003: 666, the Antichrist and Satan. There is a written lecture summary and Windows Media Player power point video lecture. Your comments and criticisms are welcome. Again, I urge you to first read Ordered Conflict Resolution and Ordered Model Processes, Reference Declaration and the Economic Organization: Implications for a Balanced Scorecard Contextual Framework and Bible Math Lectures #001 and #002. You will need to understand the idea of ordered and unordered model processes and what is the composition of a Star of David. The 666, the Antichrist and Satan lecture explains the undoing of the succeeding Star of David in ordered objective equilibratory alignment and why the scripture writers’ impose this assumption on their social choice theory model operation. Very truly yours, D. Randall Jenkins, Ph.D.
Greetings,
I finished a day ahead of schedule. Please visit http://www.pbwmodel.com, Lectures link, Bible Math link, Bible Math Lecture #003: 666, the Antichrist and Satan. There is a written lecture summary and Windows Media Player power point video lecture. Your comments and criticisms are welcome. Again, I urge you to first read Ordered Conflict Resolution and Ordered Model Processes, Reference Declaration and the Economic Organization: Implications for a Balanced Scorecard Contextual Framework and Bible Math Lectures #001 and #002. You will need to understand the idea of ordered and unordered model processes and what is the composition of a Star of David. The 666, the Antichrist and Satan lecture explains the undoing of the succeeding Star of David in ordered objective equilibratory alignment and why the scripture writers’ impose this assumption on their social choice theory model operation. Very truly yours, D. Randall Jenkins, Ph.D.
Greetings,
I finished a day ahead of schedule. Please visit http://www.pbwmodel.com, Lectures link, Bible Math link, Bible Math Lecture #003: 666, the Antichrist and Satan. There is a written lecture summary and Windows Media Player power point video lecture. Your comments and criticisms are welcome. Again, I urge you to first read Ordered Conflict Resolution and Ordered Model Processes, Reference Declaration and the Economic Organization: Implications for a Balanced Scorecard Contextual Framework and Bible Math Lectures #001 and #002. You will need to understand the idea of ordered and unordered model processes and what is the composition of a Star of David. The 666, the Antichrist and Satan lecture explains the undoing of the succeeding Star of David in ordered objective equilibratory alignment and why the scripture writers’ impose this assumption on their social choice theory model operation. Very truly yours, D. Randall Jenkins, Ph.D.
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