Every so often in open source circles, the issue of the GPL (General Public License) comes up. Most open source projects are released under this license as it allows for the freedom of open source and freely distributed source code, with the adequate protections of law.
Essentially, the GPL says that by recieving a GPL software package, you agree that you have full rights to the software and that you can redistribute the code as an enhanced or modified package so long as all the source code is released, modifications are noted and attributed and the copyright and attribution for the original code is left in place.
WordPress, for instance, is a GPL’d package and so, all access to the source code is released to anyone who wishes to download it. Forking is also common with GPL software. Forking takes the base code from a project and allows someone to start a new project that can run parallel to the original project, or that even goes in a different direction altogether. WPMU is a forked project of WordPress.
A common misunderstanding of GPL is that people can’t get paid for it. This is actually incorrect. The physical act of transferring data is a chargeable action. So, in essence, a software manufacturer can bundle GPL software and charge a “sales fee” that covers the transmission and transfer of the source code. Because GPL requires that the source be distributed with the software, the software manufacturer has the power to decline a “sale” based on a buyers unwillingness to pay.
So Why Write About GPL?
David Chait from the WordPress hackers mailing list pinged us with a link to Chameleon, a Content MAnagement System (CMS) developed by FlipCorp, a company out of Dubai, United Arab Emirates.
Interestingly (and I encourage you reading through the entire thread as it sparked very interesting debate), Chameleon is a fork of WordPress. The entire CMS is based on WordPress and from screenshots, it would appear to really have at it’s core a jazzed up admin screen. The spec sheet and related reading material seems to indicate that WordPress-base user generated plugins were used to bring certain functionality to the CMS.
Now I’ve used WordPress often as a CMS and often bring in the aid of plugins to make it tick the way I want it to. It’s a very flexible platform, very forgiving and has a huge base of plugin authors. However, I wonder how plugin authors would feel about their code being used in a commercial product.
Part of the conversation on the hackers list revolved around, “Are WordPress plugins GPL because they are for WordPress which is GPL?” The answer seems to be, “No, plugin authors can choose to release their code under whatever license they wish to as long as it can co-exist with GPL”.
I pinged FlipCorp about the price of Chameleon. The price given for the software was 25,000 AED (Arab Emirates Dirhams) which is roughly equivalent to $6,800 USD.
So basically, to sum it up, Flip is using free software, pawning it off as their own (no mention of a WordPress base), using other peoples plugins without permission and pawning it off as their own “features”, selling it for $7k and at the end of the day making almost 100% profit.
It’s GPL for ya.
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Jim Turner 06.08.06 at 10:40 am
I’m in the wrong business.
Jim Turner 06.08.06 at 10:40 am
I’m in the wrong business.
Jim Turner 06.08.06 at 10:40 am
I’m in the wrong business.
Jim Turner 06.08.06 at 10:40 am
I’m in the wrong business.
Jim Turner 06.08.06 at 10:40 am
I’m in the wrong business.
Jim Turner 06.08.06 at 10:40 am
I’m in the wrong business.
Aaron Brazell 06.08.06 at 10:42 am
Jim, just get a bunch of high-paying Arab oil tycoons and sell WordPress. No problem. :)
Aaron Brazell 06.08.06 at 10:42 am
Jim, just get a bunch of high-paying Arab oil tycoons and sell WordPress. No problem. :)
Aaron Brazell 06.08.06 at 10:42 am
Jim, just get a bunch of high-paying Arab oil tycoons and sell WordPress. No problem. :)
Aaron Brazell 06.08.06 at 10:42 am
Jim, just get a bunch of high-paying Arab oil tycoons and sell WordPress. No problem. :)
Aaron Brazell 06.08.06 at 10:42 am
Jim, just get a bunch of high-paying Arab oil tycoons and sell WordPress. No problem. :)
Aaron Brazell 06.08.06 at 10:42 am
Jim, just get a bunch of high-paying Arab oil tycoons and sell WordPress. No problem. :)
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 4:59 am
Dear all,
With interest I read the comments on this forum and others regarding Chameleon and WP.
First of all, I invite anyone to discuss this topic further to get in contact with me via http://www.flipcorpcom/contact/ as I am not always checking back to the site.
Secondly, please find a response the majority of comments:
1) We are not hiding or intend to hide the fact that WP is the core behind Chameleon. Chameleon is a marketing name for the plug-ins that Flip Media has developed and that we sell to our clients. Our sales people are trained to mention WP and we explain to all of our clients that we took WP and customized it with additional modules in order to make it relevant to their needs, e.g. Arabic support, Flash menus, e-commerce and so on.
2) We are not selling the product as an ASP model, e.g., we only implement Chameleon for our own clients. No one can buy Chameleon and then re-deploy or re-use under a commercial agreement in the name of Flip Media.
3) All Chameleon installations are hosted on Flip Media’s own servers and not re-distributed on any other 3rd party servers.
4) We do not require clients to sign any NDA or other contracts or agreements (as somone mentions incorrectly on this post).
5) Regarding pricing, we do charge a consultancy fee approximately of 25,000 AED (depending on client, market, requirements) which is 6,800 US$ or 5,300 EUR which is a remuneration fee for our efforts of setting up the CMS with the additional modules that we programmed. I believe that it is fair to do so (and not breaking any GPL).
6) We are in the process of releasing some of our modules that we developed to the public - just completing some QA on the same. Anyone who knows us in the Middle East can confirm that we are one of the key driver of the interactive industry in the Middle East, not from a commercial point of view but always providing cutting edge technical and creative solutions to our clients. We released so much source code, given away sites for free / charity (check http://www.flipcorp.com/csr) and will continue to do so.
7) Source code is typically being acknowledged to the original author. Flip Media do so, publicly, in writing (here!), orally (with our sales staff) and everywhere. If in any cases we missed something, glitches happened, please let us know and we will correct. Please understand that we have more than 60 people employed in over 6 locations and 4 countries - at the end of the day its down to the individual and not easy to control. Again, we will make the effort and go through code and sites and correct whereever we find mistakes - and take your input into account. Anyone blaming us and claiming to be 100% perfect in coding, referencing, documenting etc. - please give me a call or apply for a job @ http://www.flipcorp.com/jobs - you got it!
I am not sure if I missed any points - if so pls contact me directly.
Finally let me close by thanking for the discussion raised and hopefully making some of the points clear.
Best regards
Martin Diessner
CEO
Flip Media
http://www.flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 4:59 am
Dear all,
With interest I read the comments on this forum and others regarding Chameleon and WP.
First of all, I invite anyone to discuss this topic further to get in contact with me via http://www.flipcorpcom/contact/ as I am not always checking back to the site.
Secondly, please find a response the majority of comments:
1) We are not hiding or intend to hide the fact that WP is the core behind Chameleon. Chameleon is a marketing name for the plug-ins that Flip Media has developed and that we sell to our clients. Our sales people are trained to mention WP and we explain to all of our clients that we took WP and customized it with additional modules in order to make it relevant to their needs, e.g. Arabic support, Flash menus, e-commerce and so on.
2) We are not selling the product as an ASP model, e.g., we only implement Chameleon for our own clients. No one can buy Chameleon and then re-deploy or re-use under a commercial agreement in the name of Flip Media.
3) All Chameleon installations are hosted on Flip Media’s own servers and not re-distributed on any other 3rd party servers.
4) We do not require clients to sign any NDA or other contracts or agreements (as somone mentions incorrectly on this post).
5) Regarding pricing, we do charge a consultancy fee approximately of 25,000 AED (depending on client, market, requirements) which is 6,800 US$ or 5,300 EUR which is a remuneration fee for our efforts of setting up the CMS with the additional modules that we programmed. I believe that it is fair to do so (and not breaking any GPL).
6) We are in the process of releasing some of our modules that we developed to the public - just completing some QA on the same. Anyone who knows us in the Middle East can confirm that we are one of the key driver of the interactive industry in the Middle East, not from a commercial point of view but always providing cutting edge technical and creative solutions to our clients. We released so much source code, given away sites for free / charity (check http://www.flipcorp.com/csr) and will continue to do so.
7) Source code is typically being acknowledged to the original author. Flip Media do so, publicly, in writing (here!), orally (with our sales staff) and everywhere. If in any cases we missed something, glitches happened, please let us know and we will correct. Please understand that we have more than 60 people employed in over 6 locations and 4 countries - at the end of the day its down to the individual and not easy to control. Again, we will make the effort and go through code and sites and correct whereever we find mistakes - and take your input into account. Anyone blaming us and claiming to be 100% perfect in coding, referencing, documenting etc. - please give me a call or apply for a job @ http://www.flipcorp.com/jobs - you got it!
I am not sure if I missed any points - if so pls contact me directly.
Finally let me close by thanking for the discussion raised and hopefully making some of the points clear.
Best regards
Martin Diessner
CEO
Flip Media
http://www.flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 4:59 am
Dear all,
With interest I read the comments on this forum and others regarding Chameleon and WP.
First of all, I invite anyone to discuss this topic further to get in contact with me via http://www.flipcorpcom/contact/ as I am not always checking back to the site.
Secondly, please find a response the majority of comments:
1) We are not hiding or intend to hide the fact that WP is the core behind Chameleon. Chameleon is a marketing name for the plug-ins that Flip Media has developed and that we sell to our clients. Our sales people are trained to mention WP and we explain to all of our clients that we took WP and customized it with additional modules in order to make it relevant to their needs, e.g. Arabic support, Flash menus, e-commerce and so on.
2) We are not selling the product as an ASP model, e.g., we only implement Chameleon for our own clients. No one can buy Chameleon and then re-deploy or re-use under a commercial agreement in the name of Flip Media.
3) All Chameleon installations are hosted on Flip Media’s own servers and not re-distributed on any other 3rd party servers.
4) We do not require clients to sign any NDA or other contracts or agreements (as somone mentions incorrectly on this post).
5) Regarding pricing, we do charge a consultancy fee approximately of 25,000 AED (depending on client, market, requirements) which is 6,800 US$ or 5,300 EUR which is a remuneration fee for our efforts of setting up the CMS with the additional modules that we programmed. I believe that it is fair to do so (and not breaking any GPL).
6) We are in the process of releasing some of our modules that we developed to the public - just completing some QA on the same. Anyone who knows us in the Middle East can confirm that we are one of the key driver of the interactive industry in the Middle East, not from a commercial point of view but always providing cutting edge technical and creative solutions to our clients. We released so much source code, given away sites for free / charity (check http://www.flipcorp.com/csr) and will continue to do so.
7) Source code is typically being acknowledged to the original author. Flip Media do so, publicly, in writing (here!), orally (with our sales staff) and everywhere. If in any cases we missed something, glitches happened, please let us know and we will correct. Please understand that we have more than 60 people employed in over 6 locations and 4 countries - at the end of the day its down to the individual and not easy to control. Again, we will make the effort and go through code and sites and correct whereever we find mistakes - and take your input into account. Anyone blaming us and claiming to be 100% perfect in coding, referencing, documenting etc. - please give me a call or apply for a job @ http://www.flipcorp.com/jobs - you got it!
I am not sure if I missed any points - if so pls contact me directly.
Finally let me close by thanking for the discussion raised and hopefully making some of the points clear.
Best regards
Martin Diessner
CEO
Flip Media
http://www.flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 4:59 am
Dear all,
With interest I read the comments on this forum and others regarding Chameleon and WP.
First of all, I invite anyone to discuss this topic further to get in contact with me via http://www.flipcorpcom/contact/ as I am not always checking back to the site.
Secondly, please find a response the majority of comments:
1) We are not hiding or intend to hide the fact that WP is the core behind Chameleon. Chameleon is a marketing name for the plug-ins that Flip Media has developed and that we sell to our clients. Our sales people are trained to mention WP and we explain to all of our clients that we took WP and customized it with additional modules in order to make it relevant to their needs, e.g. Arabic support, Flash menus, e-commerce and so on.
2) We are not selling the product as an ASP model, e.g., we only implement Chameleon for our own clients. No one can buy Chameleon and then re-deploy or re-use under a commercial agreement in the name of Flip Media.
3) All Chameleon installations are hosted on Flip Media’s own servers and not re-distributed on any other 3rd party servers.
4) We do not require clients to sign any NDA or other contracts or agreements (as somone mentions incorrectly on this post).
5) Regarding pricing, we do charge a consultancy fee approximately of 25,000 AED (depending on client, market, requirements) which is 6,800 US$ or 5,300 EUR which is a remuneration fee for our efforts of setting up the CMS with the additional modules that we programmed. I believe that it is fair to do so (and not breaking any GPL).
6) We are in the process of releasing some of our modules that we developed to the public - just completing some QA on the same. Anyone who knows us in the Middle East can confirm that we are one of the key driver of the interactive industry in the Middle East, not from a commercial point of view but always providing cutting edge technical and creative solutions to our clients. We released so much source code, given away sites for free / charity (check http://www.flipcorp.com/csr) and will continue to do so.
7) Source code is typically being acknowledged to the original author. Flip Media do so, publicly, in writing (here!), orally (with our sales staff) and everywhere. If in any cases we missed something, glitches happened, please let us know and we will correct. Please understand that we have more than 60 people employed in over 6 locations and 4 countries - at the end of the day its down to the individual and not easy to control. Again, we will make the effort and go through code and sites and correct whereever we find mistakes - and take your input into account. Anyone blaming us and claiming to be 100% perfect in coding, referencing, documenting etc. - please give me a call or apply for a job @ http://www.flipcorp.com/jobs - you got it!
I am not sure if I missed any points - if so pls contact me directly.
Finally let me close by thanking for the discussion raised and hopefully making some of the points clear.
Best regards
Martin Diessner
CEO
Flip Media
http://www.flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 4:59 am
Dear all,
With interest I read the comments on this forum and others regarding Chameleon and WP.
First of all, I invite anyone to discuss this topic further to get in contact with me via http://www.flipcorpcom/contact/ as I am not always checking back to the site.
Secondly, please find a response the majority of comments:
1) We are not hiding or intend to hide the fact that WP is the core behind Chameleon. Chameleon is a marketing name for the plug-ins that Flip Media has developed and that we sell to our clients. Our sales people are trained to mention WP and we explain to all of our clients that we took WP and customized it with additional modules in order to make it relevant to their needs, e.g. Arabic support, Flash menus, e-commerce and so on.
2) We are not selling the product as an ASP model, e.g., we only implement Chameleon for our own clients. No one can buy Chameleon and then re-deploy or re-use under a commercial agreement in the name of Flip Media.
3) All Chameleon installations are hosted on Flip Media’s own servers and not re-distributed on any other 3rd party servers.
4) We do not require clients to sign any NDA or other contracts or agreements (as somone mentions incorrectly on this post).
5) Regarding pricing, we do charge a consultancy fee approximately of 25,000 AED (depending on client, market, requirements) which is 6,800 US$ or 5,300 EUR which is a remuneration fee for our efforts of setting up the CMS with the additional modules that we programmed. I believe that it is fair to do so (and not breaking any GPL).
6) We are in the process of releasing some of our modules that we developed to the public - just completing some QA on the same. Anyone who knows us in the Middle East can confirm that we are one of the key driver of the interactive industry in the Middle East, not from a commercial point of view but always providing cutting edge technical and creative solutions to our clients. We released so much source code, given away sites for free / charity (check http://www.flipcorp.com/csr) and will continue to do so.
7) Source code is typically being acknowledged to the original author. Flip Media do so, publicly, in writing (here!), orally (with our sales staff) and everywhere. If in any cases we missed something, glitches happened, please let us know and we will correct. Please understand that we have more than 60 people employed in over 6 locations and 4 countries - at the end of the day its down to the individual and not easy to control. Again, we will make the effort and go through code and sites and correct whereever we find mistakes - and take your input into account. Anyone blaming us and claiming to be 100% perfect in coding, referencing, documenting etc. - please give me a call or apply for a job @ http://www.flipcorp.com/jobs - you got it!
I am not sure if I missed any points - if so pls contact me directly.
Finally let me close by thanking for the discussion raised and hopefully making some of the points clear.
Best regards
Martin Diessner
CEO
Flip Media
http://www.flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 4:59 am
Dear all,
With interest I read the comments on this forum and others regarding Chameleon and WP.
First of all, I invite anyone to discuss this topic further to get in contact with me via http://www.flipcorpcom/contact/ as I am not always checking back to the site.
Secondly, please find a response the majority of comments:
1) We are not hiding or intend to hide the fact that WP is the core behind Chameleon. Chameleon is a marketing name for the plug-ins that Flip Media has developed and that we sell to our clients. Our sales people are trained to mention WP and we explain to all of our clients that we took WP and customized it with additional modules in order to make it relevant to their needs, e.g. Arabic support, Flash menus, e-commerce and so on.
2) We are not selling the product as an ASP model, e.g., we only implement Chameleon for our own clients. No one can buy Chameleon and then re-deploy or re-use under a commercial agreement in the name of Flip Media.
3) All Chameleon installations are hosted on Flip Media’s own servers and not re-distributed on any other 3rd party servers.
4) We do not require clients to sign any NDA or other contracts or agreements (as somone mentions incorrectly on this post).
5) Regarding pricing, we do charge a consultancy fee approximately of 25,000 AED (depending on client, market, requirements) which is 6,800 US$ or 5,300 EUR which is a remuneration fee for our efforts of setting up the CMS with the additional modules that we programmed. I believe that it is fair to do so (and not breaking any GPL).
6) We are in the process of releasing some of our modules that we developed to the public - just completing some QA on the same. Anyone who knows us in the Middle East can confirm that we are one of the key driver of the interactive industry in the Middle East, not from a commercial point of view but always providing cutting edge technical and creative solutions to our clients. We released so much source code, given away sites for free / charity (check http://www.flipcorp.com/csr) and will continue to do so.
7) Source code is typically being acknowledged to the original author. Flip Media do so, publicly, in writing (here!), orally (with our sales staff) and everywhere. If in any cases we missed something, glitches happened, please let us know and we will correct. Please understand that we have more than 60 people employed in over 6 locations and 4 countries - at the end of the day its down to the individual and not easy to control. Again, we will make the effort and go through code and sites and correct whereever we find mistakes - and take your input into account. Anyone blaming us and claiming to be 100% perfect in coding, referencing, documenting etc. - please give me a call or apply for a job @ http://www.flipcorp.com/jobs - you got it!
I am not sure if I missed any points - if so pls contact me directly.
Finally let me close by thanking for the discussion raised and hopefully making some of the points clear.
Best regards
Martin Diessner
CEO
Flip Media
http://www.flipcorp.com
David 07.06.06 at 10:51 am
These guys even claimed that they brought video to Flash using Flipcast(Another chameleon type product)…again taking the credit for something that was already there…Grow up Flippers!
David 07.06.06 at 10:51 am
These guys even claimed that they brought video to Flash using Flipcast(Another chameleon type product)…again taking the credit for something that was already there…Grow up Flippers!
David 07.06.06 at 10:51 am
These guys even claimed that they brought video to Flash using Flipcast(Another chameleon type product)…again taking the credit for something that was already there…Grow up Flippers!
David 07.06.06 at 10:51 am
These guys even claimed that they brought video to Flash using Flipcast(Another chameleon type product)…again taking the credit for something that was already there…Grow up Flippers!
David 07.06.06 at 10:51 am
These guys even claimed that they brought video to Flash using Flipcast(Another chameleon type product)…again taking the credit for something that was already there…Grow up Flippers!
David 07.06.06 at 10:51 am
These guys even claimed that they brought video to Flash using Flipcast(Another chameleon type product)…again taking the credit for something that was already there…Grow up Flippers!
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 11:14 am
David - where do we take “credits” for FlipCast? We developed it in 2002 when streaming was not supported in Flash, FLV did not exist.
And we don’t charge for it, been giving it as a nice plug-in away to so many clients - but then who cares?
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 11:14 am
David - where do we take “credits” for FlipCast? We developed it in 2002 when streaming was not supported in Flash, FLV did not exist.
And we don’t charge for it, been giving it as a nice plug-in away to so many clients - but then who cares?
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 11:14 am
David - where do we take “credits” for FlipCast? We developed it in 2002 when streaming was not supported in Flash, FLV did not exist.
And we don’t charge for it, been giving it as a nice plug-in away to so many clients - but then who cares?
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 11:14 am
David - where do we take “credits” for FlipCast? We developed it in 2002 when streaming was not supported in Flash, FLV did not exist.
And we don’t charge for it, been giving it as a nice plug-in away to so many clients - but then who cares?
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 11:14 am
David - where do we take “credits” for FlipCast? We developed it in 2002 when streaming was not supported in Flash, FLV did not exist.
And we don’t charge for it, been giving it as a nice plug-in away to so many clients - but then who cares?
Martin Diessner 07.06.06 at 11:14 am
David - where do we take “credits” for FlipCast? We developed it in 2002 when streaming was not supported in Flash, FLV did not exist.
And we don’t charge for it, been giving it as a nice plug-in away to so many clients - but then who cares?
Aaron 07.06.06 at 12:44 pm
Martin, in the interest of full disclosure, can you provide a list of plugins being used by Chameleon and who the plugins are credited to?
Aaron 07.06.06 at 12:44 pm
Martin, in the interest of full disclosure, can you provide a list of plugins being used by Chameleon and who the plugins are credited to?
Aaron 07.06.06 at 12:44 pm
Martin, in the interest of full disclosure, can you provide a list of plugins being used by Chameleon and who the plugins are credited to?
Aaron 07.06.06 at 12:44 pm
Martin, in the interest of full disclosure, can you provide a list of plugins being used by Chameleon and who the plugins are credited to?
Aaron 07.06.06 at 12:44 pm
Martin, in the interest of full disclosure, can you provide a list of plugins being used by Chameleon and who the plugins are credited to?
Aaron 07.06.06 at 12:44 pm
Martin, in the interest of full disclosure, can you provide a list of plugins being used by Chameleon and who the plugins are credited to?
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:14 pm
Aaron, we will be updating http://www.flipcorp.com/cms and our blog http://www.flipblogspot.com with the list of plugins that are used and being developed by us. We will also make all of our sources available.
Aaron - looks like you figured the CTRL C/CTRL V option on your keyboard out as well, right?
I will stop commenting on these blogs since we have done nothing wrong as I explained before:
1) We are not SELLING the CMS as application/software - we are using it as a tool and charge for consultancy and our own plugins
2) All of our clients have a list of plugins including author names etc.
3) All of our Flip staff coding plugins are mentined with their full names and as per contractual base they developed the plugins for Flip being paid for.
Anyone else being jeallous (including you Aaron) pls discuss with me personally on my email ID or via flipcorp.com/contact or our blog.
If you enjoy continuing to Google bomb us - keep on doing it I don’t really care.
Flip has been driving the Middle East interactive industry with its solutions, creative services and media offer and both our commercial and CSR work speaks for itself.
Anyone who has been speculating on this and other blogs about us being a software company re-selling WP or any of its components under the name of Chameleon as a software product is just simply wrong - do your research properly. None of your geniuses had the gots to call me up or email me directly.
Martin
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:14 pm
Aaron, we will be updating http://www.flipcorp.com/cms and our blog http://www.flipblogspot.com with the list of plugins that are used and being developed by us. We will also make all of our sources available.
Aaron - looks like you figured the CTRL C/CTRL V option on your keyboard out as well, right?
I will stop commenting on these blogs since we have done nothing wrong as I explained before:
1) We are not SELLING the CMS as application/software - we are using it as a tool and charge for consultancy and our own plugins
2) All of our clients have a list of plugins including author names etc.
3) All of our Flip staff coding plugins are mentined with their full names and as per contractual base they developed the plugins for Flip being paid for.
Anyone else being jeallous (including you Aaron) pls discuss with me personally on my email ID or via flipcorp.com/contact or our blog.
If you enjoy continuing to Google bomb us - keep on doing it I don’t really care.
Flip has been driving the Middle East interactive industry with its solutions, creative services and media offer and both our commercial and CSR work speaks for itself.
Anyone who has been speculating on this and other blogs about us being a software company re-selling WP or any of its components under the name of Chameleon as a software product is just simply wrong - do your research properly. None of your geniuses had the gots to call me up or email me directly.
Martin
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:14 pm
Aaron, we will be updating http://www.flipcorp.com/cms and our blog http://www.flipblogspot.com with the list of plugins that are used and being developed by us. We will also make all of our sources available.
Aaron - looks like you figured the CTRL C/CTRL V option on your keyboard out as well, right?
I will stop commenting on these blogs since we have done nothing wrong as I explained before:
1) We are not SELLING the CMS as application/software - we are using it as a tool and charge for consultancy and our own plugins
2) All of our clients have a list of plugins including author names etc.
3) All of our Flip staff coding plugins are mentined with their full names and as per contractual base they developed the plugins for Flip being paid for.
Anyone else being jeallous (including you Aaron) pls discuss with me personally on my email ID or via flipcorp.com/contact or our blog.
If you enjoy continuing to Google bomb us - keep on doing it I don’t really care.
Flip has been driving the Middle East interactive industry with its solutions, creative services and media offer and both our commercial and CSR work speaks for itself.
Anyone who has been speculating on this and other blogs about us being a software company re-selling WP or any of its components under the name of Chameleon as a software product is just simply wrong - do your research properly. None of your geniuses had the gots to call me up or email me directly.
Martin
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:14 pm
Aaron, we will be updating http://www.flipcorp.com/cms and our blog http://www.flipblogspot.com with the list of plugins that are used and being developed by us. We will also make all of our sources available.
Aaron - looks like you figured the CTRL C/CTRL V option on your keyboard out as well, right?
I will stop commenting on these blogs since we have done nothing wrong as I explained before:
1) We are not SELLING the CMS as application/software - we are using it as a tool and charge for consultancy and our own plugins
2) All of our clients have a list of plugins including author names etc.
3) All of our Flip staff coding plugins are mentined with their full names and as per contractual base they developed the plugins for Flip being paid for.
Anyone else being jeallous (including you Aaron) pls discuss with me personally on my email ID or via flipcorp.com/contact or our blog.
If you enjoy continuing to Google bomb us - keep on doing it I don’t really care.
Flip has been driving the Middle East interactive industry with its solutions, creative services and media offer and both our commercial and CSR work speaks for itself.
Anyone who has been speculating on this and other blogs about us being a software company re-selling WP or any of its components under the name of Chameleon as a software product is just simply wrong - do your research properly. None of your geniuses had the gots to call me up or email me directly.
Martin
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:14 pm
Aaron, we will be updating http://www.flipcorp.com/cms and our blog http://www.flipblogspot.com with the list of plugins that are used and being developed by us. We will also make all of our sources available.
Aaron - looks like you figured the CTRL C/CTRL V option on your keyboard out as well, right?
I will stop commenting on these blogs since we have done nothing wrong as I explained before:
1) We are not SELLING the CMS as application/software - we are using it as a tool and charge for consultancy and our own plugins
2) All of our clients have a list of plugins including author names etc.
3) All of our Flip staff coding plugins are mentined with their full names and as per contractual base they developed the plugins for Flip being paid for.
Anyone else being jeallous (including you Aaron) pls discuss with me personally on my email ID or via flipcorp.com/contact or our blog.
If you enjoy continuing to Google bomb us - keep on doing it I don’t really care.
Flip has been driving the Middle East interactive industry with its solutions, creative services and media offer and both our commercial and CSR work speaks for itself.
Anyone who has been speculating on this and other blogs about us being a software company re-selling WP or any of its components under the name of Chameleon as a software product is just simply wrong - do your research properly. None of your geniuses had the gots to call me up or email me directly.
Martin
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:14 pm
Aaron, we will be updating http://www.flipcorp.com/cms and our blog http://www.flipblogspot.com with the list of plugins that are used and being developed by us. We will also make all of our sources available.
Aaron - looks like you figured the CTRL C/CTRL V option on your keyboard out as well, right?
I will stop commenting on these blogs since we have done nothing wrong as I explained before:
1) We are not SELLING the CMS as application/software - we are using it as a tool and charge for consultancy and our own plugins
2) All of our clients have a list of plugins including author names etc.
3) All of our Flip staff coding plugins are mentined with their full names and as per contractual base they developed the plugins for Flip being paid for.
Anyone else being jeallous (including you Aaron) pls discuss with me personally on my email ID or via flipcorp.com/contact or our blog.
If you enjoy continuing to Google bomb us - keep on doing it I don’t really care.
Flip has been driving the Middle East interactive industry with its solutions, creative services and media offer and both our commercial and CSR work speaks for itself.
Anyone who has been speculating on this and other blogs about us being a software company re-selling WP or any of its components under the name of Chameleon as a software product is just simply wrong - do your research properly. None of your geniuses had the gots to call me up or email me directly.
Martin
Aaron 07.06.06 at 11:18 pm
Truth hurts, Martin. Since I don’t need your consultancy (I’m very well WP-versed), and you don’t charge for the software, can you please send me a copy of Chameleon to aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com. I am really mainly curious. If you have nothing to hide I’ll leave it at that.
Call it research.
Aaron 07.06.06 at 11:18 pm
Truth hurts, Martin. Since I don’t need your consultancy (I’m very well WP-versed), and you don’t charge for the software, can you please send me a copy of Chameleon to aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com. I am really mainly curious. If you have nothing to hide I’ll leave it at that.
Call it research.
Aaron 07.06.06 at 11:18 pm
Truth hurts, Martin. Since I don’t need your consultancy (I’m very well WP-versed), and you don’t charge for the software, can you please send me a copy of Chameleon to aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com. I am really mainly curious. If you have nothing to hide I’ll leave it at that.
Call it research.
Aaron 07.06.06 at 11:18 pm
Truth hurts, Martin. Since I don’t need your consultancy (I’m very well WP-versed), and you don’t charge for the software, can you please send me a copy of Chameleon to aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com. I am really mainly curious. If you have nothing to hide I’ll leave it at that.
Call it research.
Aaron 07.06.06 at 11:18 pm
Truth hurts, Martin. Since I don’t need your consultancy (I’m very well WP-versed), and you don’t charge for the software, can you please send me a copy of Chameleon to aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com. I am really mainly curious. If you have nothing to hide I’ll leave it at that.
Call it research.
Aaron 07.06.06 at 11:18 pm
Truth hurts, Martin. Since I don’t need your consultancy (I’m very well WP-versed), and you don’t charge for the software, can you please send me a copy of Chameleon to aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com. I am really mainly curious. If you have nothing to hide I’ll leave it at that.
Call it research.
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:45 pm
It doesn’t hurt. I am simple person, and all I asked was to do research properly before assuming things. A simple phone call or email would have done the job.
We will provide a demo login via flipcorp.com/cms and our blog flipblogspot.com to show that there is nothing to hide. It’s our weekend today and Saturday so please expect it by next week. I am not a php developer (never even logged on to a linux box in my life) but our guys will provide the demo login shortly. Not sure if the whole CMS can be made available as a download but I will ask them to do so as well.
All plugins will be properly documented and then made available as well.
Please check back on our site/blog or contact me on martin dot diessner at flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:45 pm
It doesn’t hurt. I am simple person, and all I asked was to do research properly before assuming things. A simple phone call or email would have done the job.
We will provide a demo login via flipcorp.com/cms and our blog flipblogspot.com to show that there is nothing to hide. It’s our weekend today and Saturday so please expect it by next week. I am not a php developer (never even logged on to a linux box in my life) but our guys will provide the demo login shortly. Not sure if the whole CMS can be made available as a download but I will ask them to do so as well.
All plugins will be properly documented and then made available as well.
Please check back on our site/blog or contact me on martin dot diessner at flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:45 pm
It doesn’t hurt. I am simple person, and all I asked was to do research properly before assuming things. A simple phone call or email would have done the job.
We will provide a demo login via flipcorp.com/cms and our blog flipblogspot.com to show that there is nothing to hide. It’s our weekend today and Saturday so please expect it by next week. I am not a php developer (never even logged on to a linux box in my life) but our guys will provide the demo login shortly. Not sure if the whole CMS can be made available as a download but I will ask them to do so as well.
All plugins will be properly documented and then made available as well.
Please check back on our site/blog or contact me on martin dot diessner at flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:45 pm
It doesn’t hurt. I am simple person, and all I asked was to do research properly before assuming things. A simple phone call or email would have done the job.
We will provide a demo login via flipcorp.com/cms and our blog flipblogspot.com to show that there is nothing to hide. It’s our weekend today and Saturday so please expect it by next week. I am not a php developer (never even logged on to a linux box in my life) but our guys will provide the demo login shortly. Not sure if the whole CMS can be made available as a download but I will ask them to do so as well.
All plugins will be properly documented and then made available as well.
Please check back on our site/blog or contact me on martin dot diessner at flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:45 pm
It doesn’t hurt. I am simple person, and all I asked was to do research properly before assuming things. A simple phone call or email would have done the job.
We will provide a demo login via flipcorp.com/cms and our blog flipblogspot.com to show that there is nothing to hide. It’s our weekend today and Saturday so please expect it by next week. I am not a php developer (never even logged on to a linux box in my life) but our guys will provide the demo login shortly. Not sure if the whole CMS can be made available as a download but I will ask them to do so as well.
All plugins will be properly documented and then made available as well.
Please check back on our site/blog or contact me on martin dot diessner at flipcorp.com
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.06.06 at 11:45 pm
It doesn’t hurt. I am simple person, and all I asked was to do research properly before assuming things. A simple phone call or email would have done the job.
We will provide a demo login via flipcorp.com/cms and our blog flipblogspot.com to show that there is nothing to hide. It’s our weekend today and Saturday so please expect it by next week. I am not a php developer (never even logged on to a linux box in my life) but our guys will provide the demo login shortly. Not sure if the whole CMS can be made available as a download but I will ask them to do so as well.
All plugins will be properly documented and then made available as well.
Please check back on our site/blog or contact me on martin dot diessner at flipcorp.com
David 07.08.06 at 11:27 am
I tried adding a complaint here but I couln’t find where to add it…is there any other site where we could complaint about this so that necessary actions can be taken at the earliest?
http://gpl-violations.org/
David 07.08.06 at 11:27 am
I tried adding a complaint here but I couln’t find where to add it…is there any other site where we could complaint about this so that necessary actions can be taken at the earliest?
http://gpl-violations.org/
David 07.08.06 at 11:27 am
I tried adding a complaint here but I couln’t find where to add it…is there any other site where we could complaint about this so that necessary actions can be taken at the earliest?
http://gpl-violations.org/
David 07.08.06 at 11:27 am
I tried adding a complaint here but I couln’t find where to add it…is there any other site where we could complaint about this so that necessary actions can be taken at the earliest?
http://gpl-violations.org/
David 07.08.06 at 11:27 am
I tried adding a complaint here but I couln’t find where to add it…is there any other site where we could complaint about this so that necessary actions can be taken at the earliest?
http://gpl-violations.org/
David 07.08.06 at 11:27 am
I tried adding a complaint here but I couln’t find where to add it…is there any other site where we could complaint about this so that necessary actions can be taken at the earliest?
http://gpl-violations.org/
Aaron 07.08.06 at 11:28 am
David: it’s still unclear whether there’s anything to complain about.
Aaron 07.08.06 at 11:28 am
David: it’s still unclear whether there’s anything to complain about.
Aaron 07.08.06 at 11:28 am
David: it’s still unclear whether there’s anything to complain about.
Aaron 07.08.06 at 11:28 am
David: it’s still unclear whether there’s anything to complain about.
Aaron 07.08.06 at 11:28 am
David: it’s still unclear whether there’s anything to complain about.
Aaron 07.08.06 at 11:28 am
David: it’s still unclear whether there’s anything to complain about.
Moe Al Akbar 07.08.06 at 2:55 pm
Its about time someone pulled the plug on the lies here. This is absurd, they have claimed that it is home-made although claiming . Doing a bit of research took me to a Dubai based portal that published an article about Site Managers…here it is.
http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=4228&srh=chameleon&tbl=itp_features
So is your system home-made or not? Make up your mind.
Moe Al Akbar 07.08.06 at 2:55 pm
Its about time someone pulled the plug on the lies here. This is absurd, they have claimed that it is home-made although claiming . Doing a bit of research took me to a Dubai based portal that published an article about Site Managers…here it is.
http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=4228...
So is your system home-made or not? Make up your mind.
Moe Al Akbar 07.08.06 at 2:55 pm
Its about time someone pulled the plug on the lies here. This is absurd, they have claimed that it is home-made although claiming . Doing a bit of research took me to a Dubai based portal that published an article about Site Managers…here it is.
http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=4228...
So is your system home-made or not? Make up your mind.
Moe Al Akbar 07.08.06 at 2:55 pm
Its about time someone pulled the plug on the lies here. This is absurd, they have claimed that it is home-made although claiming . Doing a bit of research took me to a Dubai based portal that published an article about Site Managers…here it is.
http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=4228...
So is your system home-made or not? Make up your mind.
Moe Al Akbar 07.08.06 at 2:55 pm
Its about time someone pulled the plug on the lies here. This is absurd, they have claimed that it is home-made although claiming . Doing a bit of research took me to a Dubai based portal that published an article about Site Managers…here it is.
http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=4228...
So is your system home-made or not? Make up your mind.
Moe Al Akbar 07.08.06 at 2:55 pm
Its about time someone pulled the plug on the lies here. This is absurd, they have claimed that it is home-made although claiming . Doing a bit of research took me to a Dubai based portal that published an article about Site Managers…here it is.
http://www.itp.net/features/details.php?id=4228...
So is your system home-made or not? Make up your mind.
Matt 07.09.06 at 12:58 am
Aaron, are you just curious or jealous that this company is making money which you can’t? or maybe don’t know how to use wordpress as creatively as they do?
Matt 07.09.06 at 12:58 am
Aaron, are you just curious or jealous that this company is making money which you can’t? or maybe don’t know how to use wordpress as creatively as they do?
Matt 07.09.06 at 12:58 am
Aaron, are you just curious or jealous that this company is making money which you can’t? or maybe don’t know how to use wordpress as creatively as they do?
Matt 07.09.06 at 12:58 am
Aaron, are you just curious or jealous that this company is making money which you can’t? or maybe don’t know how to use wordpress as creatively as they do?
Matt 07.09.06 at 12:58 am
Aaron, are you just curious or jealous that this company is making money which you can’t? or maybe don’t know how to use wordpress as creatively as they do?
Matt 07.09.06 at 12:58 am
Aaron, are you just curious or jealous that this company is making money which you can’t? or maybe don’t know how to use wordpress as creatively as they do?
David 07.09.06 at 4:02 am
Damn, they claim to have home-made this solution…shame!!!
David 07.09.06 at 4:02 am
Damn, they claim to have home-made this solution…shame!!!
David 07.09.06 at 4:02 am
Damn, they claim to have home-made this solution…shame!!!
David 07.09.06 at 4:02 am
Damn, they claim to have home-made this solution…shame!!!
David 07.09.06 at 4:02 am
Damn, they claim to have home-made this solution…shame!!!
David 07.09.06 at 4:02 am
Damn, they claim to have home-made this solution…shame!!!
Aaron Brazell 07.09.06 at 12:57 pm
Matt: I have no reason to be jealous. I do take the defense of the WP community I am involved with though and despite Martin’s indication that Chameleon would be made available to me under the auspices of full-disclosure, I still have not been given access to the software. I can only draw my own conclusions.
Aaron Brazell 07.09.06 at 12:57 pm
Matt: I have no reason to be jealous. I do take the defense of the WP community I am involved with though and despite Martin’s indication that Chameleon would be made available to me under the auspices of full-disclosure, I still have not been given access to the software. I can only draw my own conclusions.
Aaron Brazell 07.09.06 at 12:57 pm
Matt: I have no reason to be jealous. I do take the defense of the WP community I am involved with though and despite Martin’s indication that Chameleon would be made available to me under the auspices of full-disclosure, I still have not been given access to the software. I can only draw my own conclusions.
Aaron Brazell 07.09.06 at 12:57 pm
Matt: I have no reason to be jealous. I do take the defense of the WP community I am involved with though and despite Martin’s indication that Chameleon would be made available to me under the auspices of full-disclosure, I still have not been given access to the software. I can only draw my own conclusions.
Aaron Brazell 07.09.06 at 12:57 pm
Matt: I have no reason to be jealous. I do take the defense of the WP community I am involved with though and despite Martin’s indication that Chameleon would be made available to me under the auspices of full-disclosure, I still have not been given access to the software. I can only draw my own conclusions.
Aaron Brazell 07.09.06 at 12:57 pm
Matt: I have no reason to be jealous. I do take the defense of the WP community I am involved with though and despite Martin’s indication that Chameleon would be made available to me under the auspices of full-disclosure, I still have not been given access to the software. I can only draw my own conclusions.
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.09.06 at 1:47 pm
Hi Aaron,
Pls check flipcorp.com/chameleon and flipblogspot.com for updated documentation, demo access and source codes.
Pls feel free to publish this email on my behalf on ur blog since I am travelling and only have limited blackberry access.
Thx for your help
Martin
Managed to login from blackberry hope this comment is posted…
Martin Diessner Flip Media 07.09.06 at 1:47 pm
Hi Aaron,
Pls check flipcorp.com/chameleon and flipblogspot.com for updated documentation, demo access and source codes.
Pls feel free to publish this email on my behalf on ur blog since I am travelling and only have limited blackberry access.
Thx for your help
Martin
Managed to login from blackberry hope this comment is posted…