Trolls and Adversity

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This evening I spent a large chunk of time surfing through a variety of websites, perusing my feed reader and Googling stories for Green week this week. My perusing led me down a rabbit trail that, honestly, I’ve wanted to talk about but events of recent days now compell me to talk about.

Internet fame is a touchy thing. Some people call internet fame “being an a-lister”. This kind of fame belongs to a subjective selection of blogs that meet certain unexplained criteria for prominence.

Everyone has their own criteria, it seems. Sometimes it’s traffic. Sometime it’s the community. Other times it’s the noticeability of people. I’ve often been called an a-lister and I’d imagine it would be for the latter reason.

On Friday, the big story was how Profy writers Cyndy Aleo-Carriera, Leslie Poston and Triston McIntyre walked out for reasons that all seem to lead back to Profy cutting pay and upping posting requirements.

Chaos ensued as Mark “Rizzn” Hopkins wrote a piece on Mashable “breaking the news.” It was neutral in the fashion that the Los Angeles Times is neutral about the war in Iraq. In other words, it was veiled neutrality. Though I doubt the story was malicious, it caused controversy and accusations of shoddy journalism to be bandied around by those involved.

In a conversation with one of the Profy writers over the weekend, I commented in my laissez-faire sort of way, “Welcome to the big time. Everyone gives a-listers a hard time until they feel the same heat.”

Though the writer acknowledged that it was fine and expected, it still was surprising.

Ironically, one of the Profy writers, Cyndy, had a guest post on Louis Gray’s blog titles Everyone Wants to be Internet Famous referencing this chilling, yet amazing New York Times story from Friday about trolls on the internet.

I encourage everyone to read the Times piece and not simply close your eyes because you don’t like what you see. Sun Tzu said Know Your Enemy. There’s important nuggets in the post such as Fortuny’s Green Hair Theory.

The takeaway from the story is if you don’t let trolls get to you, and you don’t care what they say, eventually they go away. I’ve recently had my own experience with trolls and this is exactly the approach I’ve taken. I also half expect to become a target of this trolling group for even shining a light on it.

At the end of the day, the take away is that those who enjoy prominence on the internet do it with a certain sacrifice that they knowingly make, Kathy Sierra, for as much as I love her, had a naiveté to her that invited the harassment and then reacted exactly as the trolling intended. Vanessa Fox took the opposite approach, however, and when she realized that people were looking for nude pictures of her, decided to own the day by registering vanessafoxnude.com as her personal domain.

I’d add to Steve Hodson’s points of becoming internet famous by saying, expect you will be targeted. Embrace being targeted. People will hate success and use your success to undermine you. You can’t do anything about them, but you can do something about yourself.

How do you cope with attacks and flames? Do you ignore and hope they go away? Do you fight fire with fire? In the case of the Profy writers, they were not A-list but suddenly they were noticed in a somewhat negative way. If you’re a Profy writer, how do you handle that?

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

    • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

      Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).

    It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-p

    With regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.

    The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

    • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

      Mark, it is very easy to sympathize with one side unless you here the second as well. Unfortunately you have not asked me for a comment – otherwise I would have gladly explained you what changes in payment pattern (or rather motivation factors since the flat rates never changed) caused the bloggers’ reaction. If you had both opinions, you could at least try to be objective. Moreover, even if you updated the post with comments from ex-Profy bloggers, you chose not to update it to include the link to my explanation. Out of neutrality, right?

      • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

        No, Svetlana. As you know, I stopped following (and actively hid) the conversation once the public was pressing me to go into more confidential detail than I was willing to go – If you read the article, you likely saw my postings on those threads stating as much.

        You weren’t available at time of press, and you didn’t contact me afterward, so no, I didn’t update the piece.

        You’ve had my personal email address all along, though, by virtue of the comments I’ve left on your blog. I may have sympathy for the writers, but that hasn’t caused me to make snide comments toward you and your organization, despite the same from you.

        • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

          Mark, I was not available at time of press but I don’t think you even attempted to contact me. I have my phone number everywhere (including the Profy contact page) where I can be reached 24/7 and I would have gladly commented if I knew such a surprise was cooking for me to wake up. And you may know (I guess your “sources” mentioned) that I myself work from Russia so the time difference allowed all of this happen without even me knowing of 2 of the 3 the resignations. True, I was not all that willing to contact you after I found out about the post, I did not think that entering the discussions everywhere will help so I chose to write my own explanation and send it to you in a comment (I’m sure you still read them even if you stopped following the discussion) hoping you will update the post once again in an attempt to reach neutrality.

          And by the way, the only “snide” comment from you about you or Mashable was in my post where I mentioned that I did not understand why you thought this event was newsworthy for you. You may have heard a lot of snide comments after that post, true, but I guess you must mistake me for someone else.

          • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

            And I quote from your comment on *your* blog: “Mashable just chooses what they think is sensation enough to bring eyeballs (like in this case). And I guess they have just decided your issue was too complicated for them to be able to write a summary that the readers could consume. But you know, I actually think that I have seen support to you on the blogs that are much better places to reach people who actually care.”

          • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

            Mark, I did not realize you were talking about this one and I still don’t realize why this is supposed to be a “snide” comment. We both know that Vlad’s issue referred here is too complicated, I spent a couple of hours myself reading about it to understand (I hope) the aspects involved. And I think it is obvious that Mashable rarely targets the audience that is interested in such complicated issues. Your audience is simply different – not bad, God forbid, it’s a great audience (and, what’s more important, it’s huge and allows the blog to be profitable), it’s just different. I definitely meant no offense here, I really admire the Mashable team for choosing the huge audience and targeting it with the right type of content – sensational, newsworthy, sometimes simply useful. Definitely this is not the worst you received in this situation about your post.

            And by the way, why do you choose not to reply to the first part of my comment about 1) not contacting me and 2) not updating the post?

      • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

        One more thing, here… and this comment goes to all involved… exactly when did we magically transform the blogosphere from a place where analysis and opinion gets injected into everything to a place where all articles must be neutral.

        I’m not paid to be bland – I’m paid to have an opinion and keep the news interesting.

    • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

      Which begs the question… If you’re trying to have an opinion, why do you
      mask it with journalism? Getting it right, sourcing, fact checking… all of
      these are journalistic traits. If you’re not paid to be journalistic, then
      why pretend?

      On the other hand, if you are paid to be journalistic, then you my friend
      are a shitty journalist. :)

      • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

        I’m not masking anything with anything.

        I’m paid to blog about tech news.

        I blogged about tech news.

        As congress noted, blogging is a form of journalism. There are many forms of journalism, and blogging typically includes opinion. I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand, particularly for you.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • samsonite

    Good analysis, but you goofed one factoid: weev’s philosophy is to cull the world’s population; the green hair theory belongs to the other fortuny guy.

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://technosailor.com Aaron Brazell

    Whoops… You’re right. Will correct in the morning. Thanks

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://rizzn.com Mark ‘Rizzn’ Hopkins

    You might be right about my neutrality being veiled. I do more greatly sympathize with the writers than the management in this instance, particularly due to the circumstances surrounding the events pointing to what is likely a management issue rather than a systemic problem with every former Profy writer (without re-hashing the whole story over again).It is unsettling being compared to the LA Times, though – even if it is only for illustrative purposes. :-pWith regard to trolls, I long ago learned to embrace them. Only in rare journalistic circumstances, when due to sourcing or anonymity issues I can’t comment on things, getting in there and mixing it up with trolls can be fun. Standard tactics can be used that will cause trolls who comment simply to be griefers to out themselves from those who wish to truly engage.The only time trolls and griefers really get in the way is when you’re trying to have a really guided discussion. A few times I’ve tried to start a discussion about a very specific point, and the comment mob gets led astray down a rabbit-hole by a couple dedicated trolls.

  • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

    Mark, it is very easy to sympathize with one side unless you here the second as well. Unfortunately you have not asked me for a comment – otherwise I would have gladly explained you what changes in payment pattern (or rather motivation factors since the flat rates never changed) caused the bloggers’ reaction. If you had both opinions, you could at least try to be objective. Moreover, even if you updated the post with comments from ex-Profy bloggers, you chose not to update it to include the link to my explanation. Out of neutrality, right?

  • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

    Mark, it is very easy to sympathize with one side unless you here the second as well. Unfortunately you have not asked me for a comment – otherwise I would have gladly explained you what changes in payment pattern (or rather motivation factors since the flat rates never changed) caused the bloggers’ reaction. If you had both opinions, you could at least try to be objective. Moreover, even if you updated the post with comments from ex-Profy bloggers, you chose not to update it to include the link to my explanation. Out of neutrality, right?

  • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

    Mark, it is very easy to sympathize with one side unless you here the second as well. Unfortunately you have not asked me for a comment – otherwise I would have gladly explained you what changes in payment pattern (or rather motivation factors since the flat rates never changed) caused the bloggers’ reaction. If you had both opinions, you could at least try to be objective. Moreover, even if you updated the post with comments from ex-Profy bloggers, you chose not to update it to include the link to my explanation. Out of neutrality, right?

  • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

    Mark, it is very easy to sympathize with one side unless you here the second as well. Unfortunately you have not asked me for a comment – otherwise I would have gladly explained you what changes in payment pattern (or rather motivation factors since the flat rates never changed) caused the bloggers’ reaction. If you had both opinions, you could at least try to be objective. Moreover, even if you updated the post with comments from ex-Profy bloggers, you chose not to update it to include the link to my explanation. Out of neutrality, right?

  • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

    Mark, it is very easy to sympathize with one side unless you here the second as well. Unfortunately you have not asked me for a comment – otherwise I would have gladly explained you what changes in payment pattern (or rather motivation factors since the flat rates never changed) caused the bloggers’ reaction. If you had both opinions, you could at least try to be objective. Moreover, even if you updated the post with comments from ex-Profy bloggers, you chose not to update it to include the link to my explanation. Out of neutrality, right?

  • http://www.profy.com/ Svetlana Gladkova

    Mark, it is very easy to sympathize with one side unless you here the second as well. Unfortunately you have not asked me for a comment – otherwise I would have gladly explained you what changes in payment pattern (or rather motivation factors since the flat rates never changed) caused the bloggers’ reaction. If you had both opinions, you could at least try to be objective. Moreover, even if you updated the post with comments from ex-Profy bloggers, you chose not to update it to include the link to my explanation. Out of neutrality, right?