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		<title>By: tyler hurst</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2008/11/13/journalistic-recklessness/comment-page-1/#comment-45959</link>
		<dc:creator>tyler hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points. I especially loved your it&#039;s more important to be first than right comment, but people seldom care or read retractions, so news that&#039;s first reported tends to be what people remember.

Most newspapers exist solely to sell ads now. From my state&#039;s crappy AZ Republic to others owned by billionaires, it&#039;s hard to find unbiased sources. Everything is about the bottom line. It&#039;s a sad world when some of my most trusted newsmen include Colbert and Stewart, because at least with them, I know where they are coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points. I especially loved your it&#8217;s more important to be first than right comment, but people seldom care or read retractions, so news that&#8217;s first reported tends to be what people remember.</p>
<p>Most newspapers exist solely to sell ads now. From my state&#8217;s crappy AZ Republic to others owned by billionaires, it&#8217;s hard to find unbiased sources. Everything is about the bottom line. It&#8217;s a sad world when some of my most trusted newsmen include Colbert and Stewart, because at least with them, I know where they are coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Check out the NYT story.&lt;/em&gt;

Fair enough. Thanks again for your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Check out the NYT story.</em></p>
<p>Fair enough. Thanks again for your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: William K. Wolfrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>William K. Wolfrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t really know who you are or your role/intimacy with the matter&lt;/em&gt;

Check out the NYT story.

I&#039;m by no means saying that the anonymous claims about Palin are true. However, I have no doubt that Cameron was speaking the truth that they came from inside the campaign. Still, that said, the use of anonymous sources is totally out of control. We&#039;ve just spent 8 years of the media reporting everything the Bush Administration wants people to hear, attributed to &quot;Anonymous high-ranking whatevers in the administration.&quot; So I&#039;m totally with you on that.

However, the meme that a known hoaxer taking credit for being the anonymous source translating to &quot;Cameron was hoaxed, the whole thing is now worthless&quot; just doesn&#039;t add up. I was really surprised that so many made that jump. Maybe it&#039;s my fault for being surprised.

Plus, I&#039;ve seen that one of the actors involved has denied ever speaking with Cameron, for what that&#039;s worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I don&#8217;t really know who you are or your role/intimacy with the matter</em></p>
<p>Check out the NYT story.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m by no means saying that the anonymous claims about Palin are true. However, I have no doubt that Cameron was speaking the truth that they came from inside the campaign. Still, that said, the use of anonymous sources is totally out of control. We&#8217;ve just spent 8 years of the media reporting everything the Bush Administration wants people to hear, attributed to &#8220;Anonymous high-ranking whatevers in the administration.&#8221; So I&#8217;m totally with you on that.</p>
<p>However, the meme that a known hoaxer taking credit for being the anonymous source translating to &#8220;Cameron was hoaxed, the whole thing is now worthless&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t add up. I was really surprised that so many made that jump. Maybe it&#8217;s my fault for being surprised.</p>
<p>Plus, I&#8217;ve seen that one of the actors involved has denied ever speaking with Cameron, for what that&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William-

First of all, thanks for stopping by and offering your insights. I appreciate it.

Second of all, there is still no corroborative accounts here. There are still anonymous sources, unless you&#039;d like to contact me with names and contact information of people I can verify these claims against. It&#039;s shoddy journalism and irresponsible to simply put out claims based on anonymous &quot;Senior McCain Aides&quot;. I don&#039;t really know who you are or your role/intimacy with the matter, but if there is a way to corroborate/verify this story, then let&#039;s get that information on the table. Until then, Palin should be given then benefit of the doubt or the story very, extremely clearly labeled by reporters as speculative and unconfirmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William-</p>
<p>First of all, thanks for stopping by and offering your insights. I appreciate it.</p>
<p>Second of all, there is still no corroborative accounts here. There are still anonymous sources, unless you&#8217;d like to contact me with names and contact information of people I can verify these claims against. It&#8217;s shoddy journalism and irresponsible to simply put out claims based on anonymous &#8220;Senior McCain Aides&#8221;. I don&#8217;t really know who you are or your role/intimacy with the matter, but if there is a way to corroborate/verify this story, then let&#8217;s get that information on the table. Until then, Palin should be given then benefit of the doubt or the story very, extremely clearly labeled by reporters as speculative and unconfirmed.</p>
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		<title>By: William K. Wolfrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>William K. Wolfrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having played a role in the whole Eisenstadt affair, I have a couple points. First, your premise is wrong. You mistakenly believe that Eisenstadt was the &quot;Anonymous source&quot; that Cameron used. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/2008/11/13/martin-eisenstadt-was-not-i-repeat-was-not-carl-camerons-source-for-the-sarah-palin-smears/&quot;&gt;This is false&lt;/a&gt;. All Team Eisenstadt did was take credit for it. Cameron followed the McCain campaign for months, to think that he&#039;d report something from Eisenstadt is just not logical.

So now what&#039;s interesting is this: In creating and then being outed as a hoax by the NY Times, a false history has emerged. Make no mistake, Cameron got his information from people who were actually inside the McCain campaign (unlike Eisenstadt). It was a save-face, dump-the-blame-on-Palin move. While I am no fan whatsoever of Palin, she became the scapegoat for the entire campaign. And it wasn&#039;t her fault that the campaign was run terribly.

As for your thoughts on bloggers as journalists, I agree. It was never that hard to find out that he was a hoax. Since June, a simple Google search of &quot;Martin Eisenstadt&quot; would be enough to see that he was not who he said he was. That so many ran with it, to me, showcases both an intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity. We will see if lessons were learned.

All that said, this was a very well-written post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having played a role in the whole Eisenstadt affair, I have a couple points. First, your premise is wrong. You mistakenly believe that Eisenstadt was the &#8220;Anonymous source&#8221; that Cameron used. <a href="http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/2008/11/13/martin-eisenstadt-was-not-i-repeat-was-not-carl-camerons-source-for-the-sarah-palin-smears/">This is false</a>. All Team Eisenstadt did was take credit for it. Cameron followed the McCain campaign for months, to think that he&#8217;d report something from Eisenstadt is just not logical.</p>
<p>So now what&#8217;s interesting is this: In creating and then being outed as a hoax by the NY Times, a false history has emerged. Make no mistake, Cameron got his information from people who were actually inside the McCain campaign (unlike Eisenstadt). It was a save-face, dump-the-blame-on-Palin move. While I am no fan whatsoever of Palin, she became the scapegoat for the entire campaign. And it wasn&#8217;t her fault that the campaign was run terribly.</p>
<p>As for your thoughts on bloggers as journalists, I agree. It was never that hard to find out that he was a hoax. Since June, a simple Google search of &#8220;Martin Eisenstadt&#8221; would be enough to see that he was not who he said he was. That so many ran with it, to me, showcases both an intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity. We will see if lessons were learned.</p>
<p>All that said, this was a very well-written post.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounded suspicious when I first heard it, but ironically, Palin seemed to confirm it to me when she defended herself by saying &quot;the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa there.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounded suspicious when I first heard it, but ironically, Palin seemed to confirm it to me when she defended herself by saying &#8220;the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa there.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jared K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aaron
RE: Annoying ads: Thank you!

RE: The story
This scenario is just another example of how easy and powerful social engineering can be.

But the real tragedy is that if this starts happening &quot;en masse&quot;, society will grow to be very untrusting of our fellow (wo)man on a huge scale, and everything will have to be proven to the nth degree.  Call me old fashioned, but I like the idea of trust.  Critical thinking is absolutely necessary too, but there needs to be a balance between the two.

This was a well-written post. Keep &#039;em coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron<br />
RE: Annoying ads: Thank you!</p>
<p>RE: The story<br />
This scenario is just another example of how easy and powerful social engineering can be.</p>
<p>But the real tragedy is that if this starts happening &#8220;en masse&#8221;, society will grow to be very untrusting of our fellow (wo)man on a huge scale, and everything will have to be proven to the nth degree.  Call me old fashioned, but I like the idea of trust.  Critical thinking is absolutely necessary too, but there needs to be a balance between the two.</p>
<p>This was a well-written post. Keep &#8216;em coming!</p>
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		<title>By: foolery</title>
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		<dc:creator>foolery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great reminders. We&#039;ve all been duped AGAIN. Credulity and credibility are running in short supply lately.

Two things: I clipped this article for Social Median, because I am just that much of a New Media Bimbo.  And you have a Chili&#039;s coupon ad totally covering your banner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great reminders. We&#8217;ve all been duped AGAIN. Credulity and credibility are running in short supply lately.</p>
<p>Two things: I clipped this article for Social Median, because I am just that much of a New Media Bimbo.  And you have a Chili&#8217;s coupon ad totally covering your banner.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Layman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Layman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it&#039;s true, or because they are afraid it might be true. Peopleâ€™s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.&quot; - Terry Goodkind http://bit.ly/IN9U</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it&#8217;s true, or because they are afraid it might be true. Peopleâ€™s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.&#8221; &#8211; Terry Goodkind <a href="http://bit.ly/IN9U" >http://bit.ly/IN9U</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erin, QueenofSpain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin, QueenofSpain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I really hate the ads too. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I really hate the ads too. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like being wary on anonymous sources should be a given, but it is so often not the case. It&#039;s a shame that it has to be even said...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like being wary on anonymous sources should be a given, but it is so often not the case. It&#8217;s a shame that it has to be even said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Erin, QueenofSpain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin, QueenofSpain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy. Don&#039;t get me started on this subject. lol.

I will say Kim Pearson at blogher strongly cautioned everyone when they story broke and reminded us all to be wary of those annon sources, etc.

On the other stuff- the good ones will rise to the top, just like in any industry. Those who are not credible will be treated as such, hopefully sooner rather than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy. Don&#8217;t get me started on this subject. lol.</p>
<p>I will say Kim Pearson at blogher strongly cautioned everyone when they story broke and reminded us all to be wary of those annon sources, etc.</p>
<p>On the other stuff- the good ones will rise to the top, just like in any industry. Those who are not credible will be treated as such, hopefully sooner rather than later.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree and that will be remedied... trust me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and that will be remedied&#8230; trust me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, as much as I like your writing and blog in general, the blinking &quot;YOU HAVE WON&quot; ads are driving me away.  Sorry, bro.  I just can&#039;t stand those ads, and find that they cheapen your blog significantly.

Let me know when they&#039;re gone, and I&#039;ll return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, as much as I like your writing and blog in general, the blinking &#8220;YOU HAVE WON&#8221; ads are driving me away.  Sorry, bro.  I just can&#8217;t stand those ads, and find that they cheapen your blog significantly.</p>
<p>Let me know when they&#8217;re gone, and I&#8217;ll return.</p>
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