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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47204</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 04:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will come when I have time to read it. As it is, I&#039;ve got paying work. Go work on your satire.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47203</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 04:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still waiting for the big, unbiased, critical, journalistic POV on this article: http://www.ndu.edu/ctnsp/Def_Tech/DTP61_SocialSoftwareandNationalSecurity.pdf now that it&#039;s out. Lots of talk prior to publication when barely anyone knew barely anything, claims that it wouldn&#039;t come out anytime soon mere hours before it was posted, and remarkably little intelligent discussion afterwords considering the apparent interest in it. Bottom line? All show, no go from this crew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still waiting for the big, unbiased, critical, journalistic POV on this article: <a href="http://www.ndu.edu/ctnsp/Def_Tech/DTP61_SocialSoftwareandNationalSecurity.pdf" >http://www.ndu.edu/ctnsp/Def_Tech/DTP61_SocialSoftwareandNationalSecurity.pdf</a> now that it&#8217;s out. Lots of talk prior to publication when barely anyone knew barely anything, claims that it wouldn&#8217;t come out anytime soon mere hours before it was posted, and remarkably little intelligent discussion afterwords considering the apparent interest in it. Bottom line? All show, no go from this crew.</p>
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		<title>By: meznor</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47202</link>
		<dc:creator>meznor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. This self-promotion you guys seem to have a beef with is sort of misplaced. I think if your leaders have something worthy for the public to read, why &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/I&gt; try to spread the word to as many channels as possible, and generate awareness to people who might be interested in reading it? Especially among the web community about which it may concern...

BTW, it&#039;s available now: http://www.ndu.edu/ctnsp/Defense_Tech_Papers.htm. I&#039;m reading it currently. So far, the 41-page research paper seems to have substance to me, and I don&#039;t think any amount of promotion or teasing, or brief Wired article reaction to it can really claim to have made it obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. This self-promotion you guys seem to have a beef with is sort of misplaced. I think if your leaders have something worthy for the public to read, why <i>not</i> try to spread the word to as many channels as possible, and generate awareness to people who might be interested in reading it? Especially among the web community about which it may concern&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW, it&#8217;s available now: <a href="http://www.ndu.edu/ctnsp/Defense_Tech_Papers.htm" >http://www.ndu.edu/ctnsp/Defense_Tech_Papers.htm</a>. I&#8217;m reading it currently. So far, the 41-page research paper seems to have substance to me, and I don&#8217;t think any amount of promotion or teasing, or brief Wired article reaction to it can really claim to have made it obsolete.</p>
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		<title>By: GovernmentObserver</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47201</link>
		<dc:creator>GovernmentObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF - see, I&#039;ve read what has been published regarding the article in question and this observer would like to see these posted comments addressed:
&quot;Letâ€™s hear more about connecting the 50,000â€² view to architectural implementation in complex environments.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF &#8211; see, I&#8217;ve read what has been published regarding the article in question and this observer would like to see these posted comments addressed:<br />
&#8220;Letâ€™s hear more about connecting the 50,000â€² view to architectural implementation in complex environments.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Herman</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47200</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the bulls eye, @Michael. Because the larger issue isn&#039;t the paper - which has been masterfully self-promoted almost to the point of obsoleting the content of the paper itself. An issue amongst other issues, however, is that the discussion of technological innovation in improving the function of government, if you&#039;d like to call it Gov 2.0, has been exploited into a means to self-promote, with the focus on indiviual(s) and their self-proclaimed role as leaders, with actual substance coming a distant second.

I don&#039;t so much blame the self-promotionalists for this trend. The editors, bloggers and organizers who promote these brands, such as #Goverati, at their events and in their articles because it is a convenient, buzz-worthy shortcut to reporting on what for many is a subtle, complex issue - these are the people I have to wonder what they are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the bulls eye, @Michael. Because the larger issue isn&#8217;t the paper &#8211; which has been masterfully self-promoted almost to the point of obsoleting the content of the paper itself. An issue amongst other issues, however, is that the discussion of technological innovation in improving the function of government, if you&#8217;d like to call it Gov 2.0, has been exploited into a means to self-promote, with the focus on indiviual(s) and their self-proclaimed role as leaders, with actual substance coming a distant second.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t so much blame the self-promotionalists for this trend. The editors, bloggers and organizers who promote these brands, such as #Goverati, at their events and in their articles because it is a convenient, buzz-worthy shortcut to reporting on what for many is a subtle, complex issue &#8211; these are the people I have to wonder what they are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J Pratt</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47199</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael J Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I am being naive here, but why put a paper such as this out for full review, quotation, etc into magazines like Wired and sites like nextgov when we can&#039;t even go to the piece for reference? I mean if it&#039;s weeks or months until the paper is even published then any hype from the article will have died down. Seems to me the point of coverage like theirs is to bring attention to the work, get more people to read (and possibly subscribe to it&#039;s theories, etc.), and so on. What are us laymen supposed to do now, make a mental note to keep checking when the paper is released so we can go back and cross-reference it against the review?

I fully understand letting a select few preview for purposes of feedback, etc. This I don&#039;t get. Someone enlighten me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I am being naive here, but why put a paper such as this out for full review, quotation, etc into magazines like Wired and sites like nextgov when we can&#8217;t even go to the piece for reference? I mean if it&#8217;s weeks or months until the paper is even published then any hype from the article will have died down. Seems to me the point of coverage like theirs is to bring attention to the work, get more people to read (and possibly subscribe to it&#8217;s theories, etc.), and so on. What are us laymen supposed to do now, make a mental note to keep checking when the paper is released so we can go back and cross-reference it against the review?</p>
<p>I fully understand letting a select few preview for purposes of feedback, etc. This I don&#8217;t get. Someone enlighten me.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Herman</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47198</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that being said, call me cynical, but I imagine I won&#039;t be seeing this paper released in the next few days. Considering the critical eye being placed on it and how its being marketed, etc - which should be an expected process for any scholarly paper being self-promoted so strongly - I would think there&#039;s going to be some tweaks in order.

But this is just based on the regular changes in how its promoted. Just two days ago most people hadn&#039;t even heard there was a co-author, and now that there is some heat not only is there one, but a highly esteemed one that we would be foolish to question. It would be less humorous if it weren&#039;t true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that being said, call me cynical, but I imagine I won&#8217;t be seeing this paper released in the next few days. Considering the critical eye being placed on it and how its being marketed, etc &#8211; which should be an expected process for any scholarly paper being self-promoted so strongly &#8211; I would think there&#8217;s going to be some tweaks in order.</p>
<p>But this is just based on the regular changes in how its promoted. Just two days ago most people hadn&#8217;t even heard there was a co-author, and now that there is some heat not only is there one, but a highly esteemed one that we would be foolish to question. It would be less humorous if it weren&#8217;t true.</p>
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		<title>By: meznor</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47197</link>
		<dc:creator>meznor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But even Noah Shachtman&#039;s post, and the excerpt he includes in the post, say nothing about wikis/blogs being [some] solution to [some] problem. It doesn&#039;t even mention solutions or problems. He merely says it was refreshing to read such a clearly-written research paper, and that it will be available publicly soon.

I&#039;m trying to figure out where you even got your premise and where your criticism came from. Was it being critical for the sake of being critical?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But even Noah Shachtman&#8217;s post, and the excerpt he includes in the post, say nothing about wikis/blogs being [some] solution to [some] problem. It doesn&#8217;t even mention solutions or problems. He merely says it was refreshing to read such a clearly-written research paper, and that it will be available publicly soon.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to figure out where you even got your premise and where your criticism came from. Was it being critical for the sake of being critical?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Herman</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47196</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main draw of this page has been the comments, which while becoming too free-wheeling in their focus at times, have illustrated a larger point which should be clear to anyone who has read them. Aaron has done his best to keep the conversation focused on the topic, but players in the topic could not help but make the commentary about themselves - which conversation then strayed to.

Until I read the report, which I have no doubt will be elegant and clearly presented, I will have to rely on the Wired review http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/04/wtf-military-we.html, which describes a &quot;Gov 2.0 for Dummies&quot; whose quality is not in its innovation of thought, but in clearly communicating pre-established ideas already common in the community.

A scholarly contribution, certainly - but in a larger context, not the fodder for which it has been used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main draw of this page has been the comments, which while becoming too free-wheeling in their focus at times, have illustrated a larger point which should be clear to anyone who has read them. Aaron has done his best to keep the conversation focused on the topic, but players in the topic could not help but make the commentary about themselves &#8211; which conversation then strayed to.</p>
<p>Until I read the report, which I have no doubt will be elegant and clearly presented, I will have to rely on the Wired review <a href="http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/04/wtf-military-we.html" >http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/04/wtf-military-we.html</a>, which describes a &#8220;Gov 2.0 for Dummies&#8221; whose quality is not in its innovation of thought, but in clearly communicating pre-established ideas already common in the community.</p>
<p>A scholarly contribution, certainly &#8211; but in a larger context, not the fodder for which it has been used.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47195</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Additionally, the post was not about his paper. The larger point, as you noted, seems to have been missed - which is okay too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally, the post was not about his paper. The larger point, as you noted, seems to have been missed &#8211; which is okay too.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47194</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The context of comments and the context of the post are different. If you read the post, I covered &lt;em&gt;Wired&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; coverage of the article. The comments took a different turn and I allowed them to because the conversation was the one everyone wanted to have. The article stands on it&#039;s own, however, and I never insinuated I read the paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The context of comments and the context of the post are different. If you read the post, I covered <em>Wired&#8217;s</em> coverage of the article. The comments took a different turn and I allowed them to because the conversation was the one everyone wanted to have. The article stands on it&#8217;s own, however, and I never insinuated I read the paper.</p>
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		<title>By: meznor</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47193</link>
		<dc:creator>meznor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly fair. But why blog about it at this point, then? You should have framed the premise in the conditional tense - *if* the paper is about wikis/blogs soloving government/bureaucracy/DoD problems, then criticism is certainly in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly fair. But why blog about it at this point, then? You should have framed the premise in the conditional tense &#8211; *if* the paper is about wikis/blogs soloving government/bureaucracy/DoD problems, then criticism is certainly in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47192</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a journalist, I want to see it/confirm. Otherwise, it&#039;s hearsay and I can&#039;t be objective about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a journalist, I want to see it/confirm. Otherwise, it&#8217;s hearsay and I can&#8217;t be objective about it.</p>
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		<title>By: meznor</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47191</link>
		<dc:creator>meznor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figure if two people who have actually read the paper, and the co-author himself, have said or inferred it&#039;s not about wikis/blogs being the solution to problems, then at this point it&#039;s pretty clear to me that that&#039;s not what it&#039;s about. If, when I get to read it, they were all three lying or biased, and your premise is correct, I&#039;ll probably have to change my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figure if two people who have actually read the paper, and the co-author himself, have said or inferred it&#8217;s not about wikis/blogs being the solution to problems, then at this point it&#8217;s pretty clear to me that that&#8217;s not what it&#8217;s about. If, when I get to read it, they were all three lying or biased, and your premise is correct, I&#8217;ll probably have to change my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47190</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To go back to the original post, itâ€™s clear the 15,000 word version of this paper does not suggest or come to the conclusion outlined by the above premise&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Forgive me, but how is that &lt;strong&gt;clear&lt;/strong&gt; since no one has ponied up the paper, despite a request to do so. I will agree that until the paper comes to the public eye, we have no idea what&#039;s in it. That doesn&#039;t make it clear in any way at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To go back to the original post, itâ€™s clear the 15,000 word version of this paper does not suggest or come to the conclusion outlined by the above premise</p></blockquote>
<p>Forgive me, but how is that <strong>clear</strong> since no one has ponied up the paper, despite a request to do so. I will agree that until the paper comes to the public eye, we have no idea what&#8217;s in it. That doesn&#8217;t make it clear in any way at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: meznor</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47189</link>
		<dc:creator>meznor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to figure out how this premise:

&quot;It is not useful to simply put out generic information about â€œinformation sharingâ€ and suggest blogs, wikis and the like are the solution to the problem.&quot;

has strayed so far from what happened in the comments section.

Anyway.

To go back to the original post, it&#039;s clear the 15,000 word version of this paper does not suggest or come to the conclusion outlined  by the above premise (nor is it a &quot;Whitepaper&quot;), and we should all wait for the full research paper to be released publicly before commenting on it. It&#039;s dangerous to form an opinion on something before having all the facts or before doing our research.

(Do I need to remind anyone about the WMDs in Iraq and what that caused? I digress.)

The only people, it seems to me, who have any useful/knowledgeable opinion in this entire thread that are on topic are Anthony Watkins and Noel Dickover. And of course Mark, but since he&#039;s one of the authors we can assume he&#039;s biased. I look forward to reading the full-length paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to figure out how this premise:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not useful to simply put out generic information about â€œinformation sharingâ€ and suggest blogs, wikis and the like are the solution to the problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>has strayed so far from what happened in the comments section.</p>
<p>Anyway.</p>
<p>To go back to the original post, it&#8217;s clear the 15,000 word version of this paper does not suggest or come to the conclusion outlined  by the above premise (nor is it a &#8220;Whitepaper&#8221;), and we should all wait for the full research paper to be released publicly before commenting on it. It&#8217;s dangerous to form an opinion on something before having all the facts or before doing our research.</p>
<p>(Do I need to remind anyone about the WMDs in Iraq and what that caused? I digress.)</p>
<p>The only people, it seems to me, who have any useful/knowledgeable opinion in this entire thread that are on topic are Anthony Watkins and Noel Dickover. And of course Mark, but since he&#8217;s one of the authors we can assume he&#8217;s biased. I look forward to reading the full-length paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47188</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. Another day, eh?

Mark, I don&#039;t operate under the premise of whether people like me or not, or whether they like this blog or not. This is not a game. Government 2.0 is not a game. If, and only if, the bullshit being espoused by most of the &quot;experts&quot; takes hold in the government, I fear it will do more harm than good. And we all know that things that take hold in government rarely go away. So... this is not a game. I am not trying to win a popularity contest, unlike you. I could care less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. Another day, eh?</p>
<p>Mark, I don&#8217;t operate under the premise of whether people like me or not, or whether they like this blog or not. This is not a game. Government 2.0 is not a game. If, and only if, the bullshit being espoused by most of the &#8220;experts&#8221; takes hold in the government, I fear it will do more harm than good. And we all know that things that take hold in government rarely go away. So&#8230; this is not a game. I am not trying to win a popularity contest, unlike you. I could care less.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47187</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like you&#039;re implying that I somehow put Noel up to writing what he did. Not true. He&#039;s a hard working guy who wanted to join a discussion about something he&#039;s passionate about, that&#039;s all. And he got &quot;I smell fish.&quot; Wonder if he has a postitive or negative view of this blog now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like you&#8217;re implying that I somehow put Noel up to writing what he did. Not true. He&#8217;s a hard working guy who wanted to join a discussion about something he&#8217;s passionate about, that&#8217;s all. And he got &#8220;I smell fish.&#8221; Wonder if he has a postitive or negative view of this blog now?</p>
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		<title>By: GovernmentObserver</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47186</link>
		<dc:creator>GovernmentObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WORD.</description>
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		<title>By: govpeon</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47185</link>
		<dc:creator>govpeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gov 2.0 is just the &quot;new&quot; buzzword just like program management was hot several years ago.  Its just another trend for the beltway bandits to come in and &quot;solve&quot;.  You would think leadership would quit being duped by the latest bauble but they never learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gov 2.0 is just the &#8220;new&#8221; buzzword just like program management was hot several years ago.  Its just another trend for the beltway bandits to come in and &#8220;solve&#8221;.  You would think leadership would quit being duped by the latest bauble but they never learn.</p>
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		<title>By: richproxy</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47184</link>
		<dc:creator>richproxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Dr. D. there are many value-add roles we can all play as experts supporting the government with the information sharing problem that Web 2.0 and Social Media may help to address.

I&#039;ve been in IT, Information Systems/Information Sharing community for over twenty years and have experience supporting multiple government agencies.  Dr. D. is very eloquent and entertaining, but also understands MLM and Social Media.  But, who is the expert?  The one that can architect/design and implement one of these solutions or the one that understands the concepts and the necessary organizational change management?

The truth is that both are necessary and if you have someone that can do both, that&#039;s even better!  But, in respect to the author that started this dialog it&#039;s time for the rubber to meet the road.  Let&#039;s hear more about connecting the 50,000&#039; view to architectural implementation in complex environments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dr. D. there are many value-add roles we can all play as experts supporting the government with the information sharing problem that Web 2.0 and Social Media may help to address.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in IT, Information Systems/Information Sharing community for over twenty years and have experience supporting multiple government agencies.  Dr. D. is very eloquent and entertaining, but also understands MLM and Social Media.  But, who is the expert?  The one that can architect/design and implement one of these solutions or the one that understands the concepts and the necessary organizational change management?</p>
<p>The truth is that both are necessary and if you have someone that can do both, that&#8217;s even better!  But, in respect to the author that started this dialog it&#8217;s time for the rubber to meet the road.  Let&#8217;s hear more about connecting the 50,000&#8242; view to architectural implementation in complex environments.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Watkins</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47183</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to make a comment on Mark&#039;s paper as someone who has indeed read all 15,000 or so words.  First though, I don&#039;t know Mark.  I met him for 2 minutes at the Gov 2.0 conference.  He doesn&#039;t follow me on twitter.  And in terms of being one of the &quot;lucky few&quot; to read his paper, I just thought the topic sounded interesting so I emailed him to ask for a copy.  As I work for the government, I guess I qualified to be a part of his super selective group.

The paper is not just a recommendation for wikis and blogs as the silver bullet to all government&#039;s problems.  The paper lays out a foundation for the types of sharing that our government does today and presents several case studies about how social media has already had a large impact at home and abroad.  It lists challenges to using Social Media in the government space and ends with recommendations.  It is a research paper and is therefore meant to drive thought, not solve tactical problems (really, who is expecting a paper called Social Software and National Security to solve their day-to-day problems?).

For those of you familiar with 2.0, you will read a lot of stuff you already know.  However, I think it&#039;s placed in an original context that makes you look at our problems from a different angle.  The paper probably won&#039;t do much for experts like Andrea (not being facetious), but it will add a great deal of understanding to many that serve Government who don&#039;t know what social media is or how it could possibly matter to national security.  And just because your organization is in the social media space doesn&#039;t mean everyone of its employees understands its importance.  Many are just jumping on the bandwagon or following orders.

Lastly, I want to note that Mark isn&#039;t the only author of this paper.  He wrote it with Dr. Linton Wells II, who has a long and impressive resume in defense.  I would think a former Acting Assistant Secretary and DoD Chief Information Officer knows something about what really matters in the DoD in regards to information sharing.  All that to say, I don&#039;t think this paper was just about someone trying to get fame without any consideration for actually adding value to the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to make a comment on Mark&#8217;s paper as someone who has indeed read all 15,000 or so words.  First though, I don&#8217;t know Mark.  I met him for 2 minutes at the Gov 2.0 conference.  He doesn&#8217;t follow me on twitter.  And in terms of being one of the &#8220;lucky few&#8221; to read his paper, I just thought the topic sounded interesting so I emailed him to ask for a copy.  As I work for the government, I guess I qualified to be a part of his super selective group.</p>
<p>The paper is not just a recommendation for wikis and blogs as the silver bullet to all government&#8217;s problems.  The paper lays out a foundation for the types of sharing that our government does today and presents several case studies about how social media has already had a large impact at home and abroad.  It lists challenges to using Social Media in the government space and ends with recommendations.  It is a research paper and is therefore meant to drive thought, not solve tactical problems (really, who is expecting a paper called Social Software and National Security to solve their day-to-day problems?).</p>
<p>For those of you familiar with 2.0, you will read a lot of stuff you already know.  However, I think it&#8217;s placed in an original context that makes you look at our problems from a different angle.  The paper probably won&#8217;t do much for experts like Andrea (not being facetious), but it will add a great deal of understanding to many that serve Government who don&#8217;t know what social media is or how it could possibly matter to national security.  And just because your organization is in the social media space doesn&#8217;t mean everyone of its employees understands its importance.  Many are just jumping on the bandwagon or following orders.</p>
<p>Lastly, I want to note that Mark isn&#8217;t the only author of this paper.  He wrote it with Dr. Linton Wells II, who has a long and impressive resume in defense.  I would think a former Acting Assistant Secretary and DoD Chief Information Officer knows something about what really matters in the DoD in regards to information sharing.  All that to say, I don&#8217;t think this paper was just about someone trying to get fame without any consideration for actually adding value to the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no practical need to highlight the esteemed co-author until now.</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dialogue sometimes means disagreement. I&#039;m certainly not kicking you out, but I reserve the right to rely on my notoriously good instincts. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47180</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the same, I&#039;d like to see it and validate your claims. It&#039;s what a good journalist does and it gives the opportunity to have a little fairness here. If it was cleared elsewhere, then I can see it too and I promise to give you and your co-author (previously unmentioned anywhere) a fair look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the same, I&#8217;d like to see it and validate your claims. It&#8217;s what a good journalist does and it gives the opportunity to have a little fairness here. If it was cleared elsewhere, then I can see it too and I promise to give you and your co-author (previously unmentioned anywhere) a fair look.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47179</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The paper is cleared for release but we have not yet publicly released it on our website nor in print (we will, soon). The authors sent the paper to Jill and some other diverse people to get feedback on specific sections and topics and so forth. We have generally asked people outside the government not to distribute the paper. There is a process, we know what we&#039;re doing, and the paper will be widely available soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paper is cleared for release but we have not yet publicly released it on our website nor in print (we will, soon). The authors sent the paper to Jill and some other diverse people to get feedback on specific sections and topics and so forth. We have generally asked people outside the government not to distribute the paper. There is a process, we know what we&#8217;re doing, and the paper will be widely available soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Dickover</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47178</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Dickover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gooey feeling instinctive measure?  Don&#039;t have a clue what that means, but I&#039;m guessing its supposed to be a non-specific, ill-defined put down of some kind.  Feel free to call out whomever you like, apparently on whatever basis pleases you.  My apologies for imagining that your post was intended to be for dialogue.  If you already are positive you have the only answer that matters, why bother allowing comments for the post?  That in itself leads to misunderstandings.  Ah well, ten minutes of my life gone - I&#039;ll live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gooey feeling instinctive measure?  Don&#8217;t have a clue what that means, but I&#8217;m guessing its supposed to be a non-specific, ill-defined put down of some kind.  Feel free to call out whomever you like, apparently on whatever basis pleases you.  My apologies for imagining that your post was intended to be for dialogue.  If you already are positive you have the only answer that matters, why bother allowing comments for the post?  That in itself leads to misunderstandings.  Ah well, ten minutes of my life gone &#8211; I&#8217;ll live.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47177</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so we&#039;re clear on rules and media. The paper in question was reviewed inside DOD and cleared for public release in principle. New developments and information, and some further research made us continue to work on it, and during this process we allowed some other people to read it to get feedback. Still cleared for release, we have allowed some media to read the paper during the past week while doing copyediting for final publication.

Everyone should also realize that this paper has a very experienced and distinguished co-author, who by far outworks, outclasses, and outsmarts everyone commenting here, including me. Here is a nice story on the paper that came out late this afternoon on NextGov (he is interviewed): http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090415_8127.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so we&#8217;re clear on rules and media. The paper in question was reviewed inside DOD and cleared for public release in principle. New developments and information, and some further research made us continue to work on it, and during this process we allowed some other people to read it to get feedback. Still cleared for release, we have allowed some media to read the paper during the past week while doing copyediting for final publication.</p>
<p>Everyone should also realize that this paper has a very experienced and distinguished co-author, who by far outworks, outclasses, and outsmarts everyone commenting here, including me. Here is a nice story on the paper that came out late this afternoon on NextGov (he is interviewed): <a href="http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090415_8127.php" >http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090415_8127.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47176</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re free to participate. Mark probably needs help. But... expect to be called out. I do feel like your response is disingenuous by the gooey feeling instinctive measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re free to participate. Mark probably needs help. But&#8230; expect to be called out. I do feel like your response is disingenuous by the gooey feeling instinctive measure.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
		<link>http://technosailor.com/2009/04/13/crossing-over-technology-with-government/comment-page-1/#comment-47175</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not confusing anything. I agree that an internal, and potentially sensitive (if not classified) document would need OPSEC approval for dissemination to the public. If this document was released, then why have only a few people seen it? Please email it to me at aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com if it is available for public partaking. If not... then how come Jill has it? I can understand Wired, but not Jill (with fairness to her as someone I know and respect, she is not a media organization).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not confusing anything. I agree that an internal, and potentially sensitive (if not classified) document would need OPSEC approval for dissemination to the public. If this document was released, then why have only a few people seen it? Please email it to me at aaron [at] technosailor [dot] com if it is available for public partaking. If not&#8230; then how come Jill has it? I can understand Wired, but not Jill (with fairness to her as someone I know and respect, she is not a media organization).</p>
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