EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Copyblogger Brian Clark Leaves DIYThemes/Thesis Theme

A few weeks ago, Brian Clark of Copyblogger.com confided in me that he was leaving DIYThemes, and splitting paths from the embattled Thesis theme and lead developer Chris Pearson. He agreed to do an interview with me exclusively about this news. This is the entire transcript of that interview.

Technosailor.com: Brian, thanks for agreeing to this interview. Obviously, the timing of this announcement and interview are interesting considering the discussions that have been happening in the WordPress community as it pertains to licensing and DIYThemes, the creator of the Thesis theme. You’ve been with DIYThemes since its inception and have championed the theme. You’re leaving the company now. Can you describe the reasoning that has gone into this decision?

Brian: Chris Pearson and I have been discussing an amicable way to split for the last 3 months. The very public disagreements Chris recently had with Matt Mullenweg were ugly and embarrassing, but that’s beside the point.

The reason for the split is more fundamental than that one issue. For the last year Chris and I have had completely different opinions about the direction of the development of Thesis, the running of the company, and our relationship with the WordPress community. And there really hasn’t been any way to resolve those different opinions given that I’m the minority owner of the company and what he decides goes.

Technosailor.com: Well, when you say “our relationship with the WordPress community,” that’s got to mean the GPL issue, right?

Brian: That’s part of it, but also, fundamentally I think Chris really wants to build something new that has nothing to do with WordPress. Trying to force his development ideas into a WordPress framework creates a whole set of issues. I wanted him to go build his thing on a separate development track and simply be okay with Thesis being a great framework that extends the power of WordPress — because that’s what it was supposed to be.

As for the GPL, I took steps from the very beginning to make sure we never issued a license that was in contravention of the GPL. We used a membership concept since 2008 after I came on board. Our terms of service said you follow the rules of your Thesis plan and get the benefits of membership — support, updates, etc. If you don’t follow the rules, you get kicked out. It was never a problem, because most people are honest.

My last official act with DIYThemes was drafting the Thesis split GPL license after Matt Mullenweg publicly committed to suing Chris. I thought that was the right move for Thesis going forward, and Chris eventually saw the light. But we were going our separate ways no matter what.

Technosailor.com: There’s a lot more to the story than that regarding the GPL. I know the story because of our conversations over the years, but other people don’t. Can you elaborate?

Brian: Okay. At the very beginning, I was completely in the dark about the GPL. I’m a content guy — I’m busy writing and producing content, not following WordPress politics. But once Chris asked me to partner with him, I naturally had to educate myself. What I found out about the GPL didn’t make much sense, frankly, but it was the way things were with WordPress. So I made sure we never took an intellectual property position in our membership terms that opposed the GPL.

About a year-and-a-half ago, Matt Mullenweg made a big push for the major WordPress premium theme developers to expressly declare themselves GPL. I think Brian Gardner of StudioPress was the first to go along. About that time, I told Chris I saw no problem with going expressly GPL, since we’re selling way more than just code and again, most people in our particular market are honest.

Chris told me to go talk to Matt and Automattic CEO Toni Schneider about going GPL and being welcomed into the WordPress community with open arms. It’s important to remember that due to the Copyblogger audience and my personal relationships, we never needed the blessing of WordPress for marketing purposes. But Matt was offering prominent exposure on WordPress.org, so why not?

Long and short is, I spent a lot of time discussing things with Matt in the early summer of 2009. We had everything worked out. I went back to Chris and he said he had changed his mind and didn’t want to go GPL after all. I thought that was a mistake, and looking back, we started diverging on just about everything from that point forward.

Technosailor.com: Now, you’ve argued with Matt publicly about whether the GPL is even legally enforceable. How do you explain that?

Brian: Oh, don’t get me wrong – as a former attorney, I think the odds of the GPL being shot down in court in this context are pretty good. A lot of practicing attorneys think so too (if you’re interested in that kind of stuff, you can read this and this).

But the law is not the point. If you’re going to develop on a massive open source platform like WordPress, it makes sense to follow the rules of the community that’s developing it. If you don’t want to, go build on something else, or build your own thing. I see the point behind the philosophy of the GPL, and I’m fine with it. I don’t like people trying to assert that it is “the law” and that non-GPL developers are “breaking the law,” because that’s just not accurate.

The GPL is a license (a contract) that has never been judicially tested in the way WordPress says it applies, and that position probably wouldn’t survive a court case. But I got out of law because I hate litigation, so why would I want to fight about it? Just play according to the home court rules and you can still make money with a great offer.

Technosailor.com: So you’re selling your stake in DIYThemes or are you maintaining your interest and stepping away from daily operations and intervention? Is there an advisory role here or is the relationship done?

Brian: At first, around 3 months ago, we explored selling the whole company. Then I floated the idea of me buying Chris out along with some investors. Chris said he wasn’t interested. We finally settled on Chris buying me out over several months of installment payments. The paperwork was drawn up, Chris had a few minor questions, and he told me it was no problem getting it done by the end of July.

Apparently now Chris has changed his mind about that as well. So things are in limbo, but I no longer have any active role with DIYThemes, operational, advisory, or promotional. Like I said, my last official act was preventing him from getting sued by WordPress.

Technosailor.com: What’s the future then for Copyblogger? You have been running Thesis for as long as Thesis has been around. Do you continue doing that or move to a different framework?

Brian: We stopped using Thesis as a development platform for pending projects months ago. It’s perfectly fine for some people, but it doesn’t play well with WordPress enough for our needs. So I’m sure I’ll move Copyblogger to something else soon. And that was part of the reasoning for my departure — I can’t promote something I can’t use.

Technosailor.com: What about Scribe? Is that part of DIYThemes?

Brian: Scribe is a separate company with a different partner and has nothing to do with DIYThemes. It’s exceeding all my expectations after only 6 months and we’ll be releasing version 3.0 this month. So it’s not all doom and gloom. ;-)

Technosailor.com: Now that Thesis has gone Split GPL, do you feel like the damage that has already been done in the community can be fixed? Is it possible for Thesis to have the prominence and success it has had prior to the public “altercations”?

Brian: I don’t know. I just know I no longer have to wake up each morning worried about what “altercation” has broken out overnight. That’s a good feeling in itself. Life is too short to be involved in things that make you unhappy.

Photo Credit: Wendy Piersall

70 Replies to “EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Copyblogger Brian Clark Leaves DIYThemes/Thesis Theme”

  1. Well, chop my legs off and call me “Shorty!” While I love Pearson’s passion I can see how he might be a frustrating personality. I’m a Thesis customer. I’m also a Brian Clark customer. So, I guess I have a vested interest in both parties and what they offer. Sometimes conflict can move people forward, albeit in different directions. Personally, I hope both Chris and Brian climb higher for having been together – and find ways to go higher still, after parting ways.


  2. Great and highly informative interview — thanks for sharing. These revelations should make Brian’s participation at OpenCamp interesting, as the subjects of GPL and #thesiswp are of high interest to our community right now.

  3. Great interview, Aaron. You answered a lot of the questions I would have had, given the chance.

    Could you re-insert the hyperlinks to the legal documents Brian refers? Thanks for all you do…

  4. Great interview Aaron! I’ve been wondering how Brian and Chris Brogan were going to handle the whole issue.

    I think the interesting question going forward is: at what point does a theme become so complex that it makes it too hard to do simple things.

    I also wonder about the question of how much tech does a content person need to know to keep their nose clean. I think this goes for themes as well as SEO.

  5. Wow, talk about out-of-the-blue, I never saw that coming in the months of Sundays! I do remember reading (a while ago now yes) that Brian had, or at least was, talking to Chris about the GPL and obviously with this interview I can remind myself of the outcome back then … I’m glad it has since changed! :)

    All I can say is thanks for the interview (Aaron and Brian), it was interesting to read!

  6. Very, very interesting!

    I wrote a blurb on Scott Webb’s article on the Thesis issue that it all seemed to come down to who got to define the meaning of the words used in the conversation. Matt, or perhaps Mark Jaquith, made a strong case that WordPress themes and plugins were derivative code (iirc), thus must be GPL.

    I don’t happen to agree, but I don’t have a have dog in this fight, so I’m just curious how it’s going to play out.

    Actually, that’s not true, I do have a dog in this fight (on the plugin side), and I’m likely going to have to change my plans as a result.

  7. Jeez, just when I thought I knew what was up and what was down. Lots to digest with this one. Sounds like Thesis wants to do some cool stuff, which I’m in full support of.

    Just surprised Brian isn’t on board with that.

    Love both sides, so I wish the best.

    1. Nathan, sounds to me Brian was all for doing cool stuff but Chris doing it separate from WP is all. Which I’d totally agree with. Why keep building onto something you can’t beleive in? Sorta like having your entire presence online rely on Facebook. Don’t put all your eggs in the basket of a dictator.

      1. Exactly my point. I think Thesis is considering moving away from WP would be a cool, bold, and daring move. Much cooler than going split-license to keep Matt at bay.

        I’d pay for it, and I don’t even use Thesis on my site now.

        I feel the same way that Chris does about the GPL, so I can respect his decision on that front. Why build on WP if they treat you like shit and bind you to a license?

        Who’s the real dictator?

        1. Actually Nathan I believe we agree. I’m saying that Thesis or else something else Chris wants to make – SHOULD leave WP. Don’t put his entire business on the back of the all knowing WordPress. Like someone putting their whole online presence on Facebook and trusting it will always work the way they want it to.

        2. I don’t think it makes much business sense to extend from the already overstaurated theme market into the even more saturated blog cms market.

          And even less to do so with the notion of not including any GPL code for must-have standard features (markup converters, feeds, database drivers, template engines, what-not). IMHO: A high risk, low returns endeavour.

  8. It’s very cool to *get the facts* from the players involved. This whole thing has been interesting to follow, if only as a indication of where the blogosphere is headed, in terms of business models and free vs premium.

    Is Brian going to check in to answer questions from commenters?

    If so, here’s what I’d like to know:

    Brian, do you see WordPress continuing to be the platform-of-choice for the broader blogosphere? Where do you see the community in 3-5 years?

    Also, you mentioned that you’ll be looking at moving CopyBlogger to a new platform – will that still be wordpress based?

        1. Yep, I hope he does (passionately, but not aggressively, lol).

          Are we going to see a video debate on Mixergy? I’m kidding (would’ve been great satire).

  9. I wish both Chris and Brian well. Partnerships don’t always work out and they aren’t forever. You make the best of it as long as you can and move on. Nice interview.

  10. Ohh man, what a great interview.

    I still can’t believe that Brian is leaving… He makes a great point though and I like what he said at the end…

    Life is too short….

    It’s pretty sad that such big great company is going through all this…I’ve been hearing about the whole discussion chris and matt had but I’m unaware of what was said.

  11. Just surprised Brian isn’t on board with that.

    I’m always on board with cool stuff, Nathan, and we have plenty of it in motion with other products. But it’s also important to work with people who share your vision and temperament.

    1. A made a similar decision recently, which you might know about, not sure. Just seems that moving beyond WP would be a great move, because someone is going to break that market wide open.

  12. This is actually a huge surprise to me. And at the same time I fully understand why. It makes sense.

    Brian, why have your last move be to make Chris do something he didn’t agree with and then leave? If you were parting ways anyway why not let him handle it how he personally felt best to do so?

    It is certainly frustrating to work with someone who appearsto change their mind on you. And you also end it with the number one reason to do any of this.

  13. I’ve always loved Brian’s reference to himself as a “recovering attorney.” It appeals to the legal secretary in me. :) I am also refreshed to hear the confession that Thesis is not for everyone, and not for every web site, not even CopyBlogger. I wish you all the best and yes, I can understand how one would not want to wake up to wonder “what ‘altercation’ has broken out overnight.”

    If we deserve nothing else as human beings, we deserve some amount of peace.

    Good luck to you, Brian. Great interview, Aaron.

  14. I’ll be interested to see where this goes. As a DIY customer I’ve loved the fact that they really seem to get it from a marketing standpoint. I’m hoping that Thesis continues to be useful in its future iterations.

  15. Thanks for putting this up, Aaron.

    I’m a customer – and fan – of all the parties involved here.

    I love WordPress for what it offers, I continue to use Thesis on some of my private blogs – and I use Scribe on my blogs every day.

    Matt, Chris and Brian are all high-achievers. And I think there really isn’t a right or a wrong here. Only shades of gray in between.

    All three of them are following through on their convictions. Brian listed down his credo here – and Chris and Matt have voiced them elsewhere.

    What shine’s through the fog though, is that all of them are striving to achieve their ideals.

    Rather than pointing fingers and calling one right, one wrong – it would be appropriate to watch where their ideas go. If something does not make sense, just stay away.

    You never know how things would shape up 5 years down the line – and as a blogger I definitely wouldn’t want to cut short my options!

  16. As a Thesis and Scribe customer this leaves me with “that feeling”, of uncertainty. The combination of these two products is so powerful – I’m not sure I’d be comfortable with any other combination.

    I hope things don’t go foobar for Chris, scratch that, Thesis, or I’m going to be in the market for a wholesale change. (a very unwanted one).

  17. “Life is too short to be involved in things that make you unhappy.” Isn’t that the truth. Nothing like moving on and doing the things that are right for you.

    One thing is for sure, without Brian DIYThemes has a big gap to fill.

  18. Brian, why have your last move be to make Chris do something he didn’t agree with and then leave? If you were parting ways anyway why not let him handle it how he personally felt best to do so?

    I didn’t make Chris do anything, I helped him do what he decided needed to be done. Even if Chris won the lawsuit, DIY Themes would have been pounded into the ground publicly by Matt for the 2 years it took to get a decision.

    And from a practical standpoint, Chris had a former attorney partner who is married to an intellectual property trial attorney. With us on board, litigation isn’t as scary or as much of a pain the deal with. With us gone, it’s just Chris paying lawyers a whole lot of money and being distracted from what he needs to do with the company.

    1. Hey Brian, Thanks for replying to that and it making it more clear for me. I appreciate you taking the time to do that.

  19. Some partnerships are just too much hassle to keep going. This one sounds like one of them. Probably better for both parties to cut it off, and perhaps it should have happened earlier than now.

  20. This is very interesting news that could have a significant effect on the future of Thesis. Even without this Thesis has been seen to be going against “the community” and I worry that the departure of one of the Brian could further tarnish the appeal that Thesis currently holds over the marketing centric users of WordPress.

    It will definitely be interesting to see:

    – Which system Brian moves onto from here
    – Whether he supports another theme/framwork as publicly
    – Also If there is a migration within his niche

    – Where Thesis goes from here:
    – If it moves further away from WordPress
    – If it evolves into a standalone framework

    Either way; within the design element of my business I have already been investing in the exploartion of alternate frameworks and potentially an in house solution as the recent GPL debate has shown it only takes the smallest change in the swell to bring everything crashing to the surface very publically.

  21. Whelp, the timing sucks, but it does seem that there was not a ton of congruence here. I hope the business arrangements get worked out and things can work with congeniality.

    Nice interview, and I hope things work out for the best.

  22. Hmm…. Ominous. I remember when all the arguments between Thesis and Headway themes came out, and, from what I saw, Brian was by far the more aggressive and rude towards Headway proponents than Chris was. I find the “temperament” difference is probably a bit overstated.

    1. Daniel, do I occasionally lose my temper when pushed (as was the case with certain Headway affiliates)? Yes, just like any other human being.

      Do I make a practice of constantly ranting on Twitter, in videos, and worst of all, at my partners? No, I don’t.

      1. Agree with Brian here.

        As one of the Headway affiliates that “discoursed” Thesis and Headway (I prefer passionate user as it was never about affiliation but different points of view), Brian certainly offered his take, as did Headway users.

        The cool thing is, hindsight is a wonderful thing and I’d like to think that both Brian and myself came to an understanding (I believe in another blog post’s comments, actually). I apologized to Brian for some things I said that probably could have been said in a better way, and we agreed that the “arguments” weren’t helping anyone.

        It’s interesting to read this post, since anytime folks ask why I don’t use Thesis anymore and switched to Headway, a big part of it is that I don’t agree with the way Chris Pearson handles himself, or can treat his customers (I’ve seen many an exchange where he rips the crap out of paying users for having a differing point of view on something).

        Seems Brian might be feeling the same…

        1. Yes, Danny and I made up. Disagreements, even heated ones, happen. The question becomes whether and how you reconcile later. Danny is a true gentleman.

  23. As someone who respects you both, I’m just sad that this whole thing didn’t work out. Hope you guys can still have a beer together and shoot the breeze.

  24. I really lost all respect for Chris after this charade. I think Brain is wise to exit. Thesis will forever be tainted by Chris’ handling of this situation.

  25. Wow. I had no idea any of this was going on.

    The way it sounds, Brian is wise to be getting out. It seems like he had a good ride while it lasted, though! :)

    I’m slightly biased, being a Brian Clark fan and what not, but it does seem that Chris has made a whole situation sour instead of changing his views in order to further the company. Pity that.

    Good luck with whatever you decide to move on to Brian! I’ll still be keeping an eye on Copyblogger, as always! ;)

  26. I am quite sad about this but I’m guessing this is the emotive side of me that makes me good at the rest of my life. Reason being that I am such a huge fan of both. I have Thesis installed on all my sites and am a rabid reader of Copyblogger.

    I am wishing both men the best in their future businesses.

    No worries about Copyblogger but have some concerns about exactly what Thesis will look like in the next year. I don’t want Chris Pearson held hostage by GPL but WordPress is fairly awesome and I would hate to abandon it.

    Alas, change is good!


  27. Chris has built a fraction of what WordPress is. Do any of you who think you’d switch away from WordPress really think you could do that? Do any of you really entrust the direction and destination of a single product to a single developer as opposed to 5-8 core devs with hundreds of contributors?


    1. I do, because I believe that in the end, closed systems prevail, for a variety of reasons.

      I’m already trying to move, but there’s not another platform worthy of my cash at the moment. At some point, we won’t need the flexibility of WP because other distribution channels are going to steal some of the thunder.

      1. Empirical data shows otherwise but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

        Two words: Developing countries.

      2. @Nathan

        I don’t know that the facts agree with you. There is a huge entrenched advantage that comes with being *everywhere* like WordPress is.. one click installers, Cpanel, WebPI, whatever. Throw in a huge trained and informed community with the support structure – books, forums, mailing lists, irc, etc – you’re facing an uphill battle.

        I’m in the thick of a similar one at this point: Three years ago the dotProject team split. Before the split, there was 1 book, 8 team members, 15k forum users and thousands of installs… which made for a lot of inertia. Luckily, on our side of the split – web2project – we benefited from a handful of aggressive developers, personal connections, and dotProject *not* making regular releases.

        Since WordPress will likely to continue making releases and Matt has a *huge* platform – and consider people like Jane, Mark, or Aaron and the numerous WordCamps – the fight would be even harder. Chris’ only shot would be to bring in a big player to help with marketing *and* distribution quickly.. and have something to distribute.

        1. Well I could name a dozen people in my circle that feel the same way I do, and that’s just of the people I’ve talked to.

          I don’t want to turn this into a software debate, but I think the recent schism, because of Matt (and Chris’) actions, has caused more trauma than most will want to admit.

          You don’t need to own the market, you just need a little piece of the pie.

        2. I do think that if Thesis were to become it’s own product that it’s possible DIYThemes could build a small, loyal core following and Chris could have himself a nice little business for those who prefer his approach such as people like Nathan. Would it’s market share or 3rd party support ever approach WordPress’? Not a change it would even come close to 1% of WordPress’ market penetration, at least not as a close-source commercial product. As my dad would say, “To each his own.”

  28. WOW!
    Very interesting stuff going on inside the A team of blogging. I am interested to see which platform you decide to end up with for Copyblogger Brian. Chris is definitely getting some bad press out of all of this, it will be interesting to see where future development of Thesis goes. But, it sounds like he is bringing it on himself. Guess we all have to remember not to bite the hand that feeds us, and without WordPress, Thesis wouldn’t have had the success that it’s had so far. Smart move to distance yourself Brian!

  29. I caught this from seeing it on Twitter by following copyblogger and surprised me. But it really comes down to the fact that times change and whether you are in individual or massive organization, sometimes the road will split at some point in time. The trick is to step back, review everything from past, present, and future. Only then can you move on with whatever you believe in and what works for “you” in the long-run.

    They say change is good, so we will have to see how this all works out for both parties and also see how the WordPress community grows over the next few years. I can easily say that since I started to design themes for WordPress a year ago, it’s been interesting considering I primarily work with the Joomla community.

    Best of luck and hope things work out for everyone involved….

  30. Awesome insight into what I’m sure is a very complex situation with a lot of personality involved.

    I do a lot of work with litigators and I can relate to what Brian said about litigation. It can drag on and on, so I’m glad that both he and Chris were able to avoid it and continue to focus on innovation.

    Looking forward to what both of them will be doing in the future. Thanks for the great interview!

  31. I find it interesting how many Thesis devotees think that abandoning WordPress and launching a standalone competing product is even close to a realistic option for Chris/DIYThemes. Even if he’s been working on “his own thing” since the inception of Thesis, it would still be a couple of years before it would be remotely stable enough to rely on as a WP replacement.

    A better approach IMO would be for him to get involved with something like Habari, which uses the MIT license. That would give him the benefit of open source developers without the restrictions of the GPL. And that could be something that could turn out to be pretty cool.

    1. Even if he’s been working on “his own thing” since the inception of Thesis…

      Unfortunately, he hasn’t. Chris spent his time fighting against WordPress and taking Thesis on a divergent development path. Again, this was against my advice (based on how I want a WordPress framework to operate as a publisher) but I was outvoted. So, now I get to do things my way… not necessarily right or wrong, just the way my “in-the-trenches” experience as the publisher of several major sites has indicated.

    2. He doesn’t have to replace WordPress, just offer an alternative. Squarespace and Expression Engine seem like 2 decent models.

      1. If you’re saying Chris should just develop a new theme for Expression Engine, then yea, that wouldn’t be such big project. But that’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about him building the whole system himself.

        Both EE and SS have been around far longer than WP, so even if you feel they are on equal ground in terms of features, it still isn’t realistic to think one guy is going to produce something in any reasonable time that will compare with something developed over a near 10 year span by multiple developers.

        As loyal as a good chunk of Thesis users are, I just don’t see any way any significant number of them make that leap of faith with that first alpha version.

  32. Wow – I didn’t expect this…thanks for sharing. The whole thing seemed to be getting ugly and after reading Chris Brogan’s work (Social Media 101/his blog) and his association with Brian Clark, I was wondering how the concept of the Trust Agent’s philosophy would apply. Hope that made sense. I see the break up as a positive thing.

  33. Excellent interview! Brian, really appreciated hearing your thoughts on the GPL and I agree. There is a saying that laws are for the unlawful. Brian, your point about legality versus community was right on target. I also have such respect for your gracious exit. Business relationships end and former partners can do so amicably without disrespecting one another in public. Life is indeed too short and I applaud you for staying true to who you are. I wish you both continued success!

  34. I’m still confused
    “Apparently now Chris has changed his mind about that as well. So things are in limbo, but I no longer have any active role with DIY Themes, operational, advisory, or promotional. Like I said, my last official act was preventing him from getting sued by WordPress.”

    does that mean you’re stepping away without getting paid? I know you got out of law and litigating but that doesent sound right.

    wish you well and thanks for sharing such great tips and insight on copyblogger
    whats in the works as far as higher end (ie paid) copy and infomarketing training from you brian? besides speaking do you have any books or memberships coming out ?

  35. Great interview Aaron and some real detailed and frank replies in both your interview and the comments Brian – my respect for you has increased even more! Good luck with your future projects and I, like many others will be interested to see what emerges from diythemes next.

  36. A wise mentor once told me: “Every business relationship ends in a divorce at some point.”

    That said, I find it very interesting that Brain is being so public about it.

    It also seems irresponsible that Aaron would publish something like this without giving Chris an opportunity for rebuttal. None-the-less it doesn’t surprise me to find this on technosailor considering Aaron’s public dislike for Chris. I’d like point out this is just one side of the story.

    1. It was a perfectly responsible article. If you want to interpret bias then let me just come out and say it… the only reason I haven’t already trashed Thesis and made it worse off than it already is is because of my respect for Brian. That’s the reason I got this interview as well… my respect for Brian.

      I don’t like Chris. Chris burnt his bridges with me numerous times over the years and I was always forgiving enough to let him have another chance. He has run out of chances.

      So you want bias? There it is. Run with it.

  37. Wow – this is truly an unfortunate situation… It’ll wreak some havoc in the community as a whole with the mass number of sites running Thesis.

    What’s interesting today is that DIYThemes.com is down with a big juicy 403. Not sure if this is related or…if it was hacked or if this is temporary. I hope it’s not the end of Thesis Theme – probably not – just timing on the first of the month I suppose.

    Any thoughts?

    Brian – what are you running now, or moving toward? I see from your source that your CSS is referencing thesis_18… I’m curious to know what direction you are goung in…

    1. Aaron – you can kill or edit the comment – DIYThemes is back up… Speculation on my part about it disappearing due to the issues between the two… Thought that Chris took his ball and went home. Sorry. JK

      1. Yeah, that’s how rumors get started. I follow Chris Pearson on Twitter and therefore saw his announcement there about his servers in Asia going belly up. I’m sure he was focused on getting things back up and running.

        Brian was right about one thing: It takes way too much energy to fight rampant rumors and whatnot. I prefer to keep my yap shut until I have all the facts. But … I’m apparently not most people.

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